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Sofie+#2 2 kids; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7799 posts
Apr 18th '13
Quoting kacti:" I can believe that people think it's good. They can be very persuasive. What surprises me is that s0 many people won't even consider the alternative."


Lmao, and what alternative would that be?

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
Apr 18th '13
Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:" Lmao, and what alternative would that be?"


...That the government is not good...

Ellie. 2 kids; Arizona 25439 posts
Apr 18th '13

Yes..... I honestly do think there will be a LOT of pissed off people if they try to "ban all guns". BUT... it will never happen. Ever. In the .00000001 percent chance that it does... bet your ass, they will be taking our guns from our cold dead hands. These are our rights that we were given and I believe they are worth fighting for. People WILL rise up if the government tries to impose those kinds of rules and restrictions.

Molon Labe.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
Apr 18th '13
Quoting ⚓ Sarah ⚓:" The first round of stricter gun control was shot down yesterday. The one prohibiting the sale of the ... [snip!] ... or spoken to a mental health professional you'd never be able to own a gun. I think the right choices were made yesterday."


I agree.

Ellie. 2 kids; Arizona 25439 posts
Apr 18th '13
Quoting ⚓ Sarah ⚓:" The first round of stricter gun control was shot down yesterday. The one prohibiting the sale of the ... [snip!] ... or spoken to a mental health professional you'd never be able to own a gun. I think the right choices were made yesterday."


Which is great. You know how many people suffer from daily stress? So if you have a temporary stressor in your life such as a divorce or work stuff, you cant own a gun because you wanted someone to talk to and sort our how to deal with things? or if you had low self esteem? or were going through normal teenage angst? It's ridiculous. I mean.. I could see if you saw someone and there were red flags, talking about hurting someone or yourself, but just TALKING to a professional anytime in your life... most of America wouldnt be able to own one. It's stupid. Just stupid.

Not to mention how many HIPAA laws that would violate........

Madi's*Mama Due November 2; 1 child; Holland, Michigan 7391 posts
Apr 18th '13
Quoting ⚓ Sarah ⚓:" The first round of stricter gun control was shot down yesterday. The one prohibiting the sale of the ... [snip!] ... or spoken to a mental health professional you'd never be able to own a gun. I think the right choices were made yesterday."

Wait, so HAD it passed that would mean DH wouldn't be able to own a gun because he talked to someone and was put on anxiety meds from the stress of going from a small town high school to a large university his freshman year of college?

Sofie+#2 2 kids; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7799 posts
Apr 18th '13
Quoting kacti:" ...That the government is not good..."


I agree that in its current form it isn't. I can't stand libertarianism though so whatcha gonna do. Too individualistic.

Ellie. 2 kids; Arizona 25439 posts
Apr 18th '13
Quoting ⚓ Sarah ⚓:" I'm not sure if he would be grandfathered in but I do know any new people applying for a permit to own a gun would be denied. "


HIPAA... i dont know how that's legal. AT ALL.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
Apr 18th '13
Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:" I agree that in its current form it isn't. I can't stand libertarianism though so whatcha gonna do. Too individualistic."


Hmmm. I guess you could say I share many of the same views as included in the libertarian philosophy.
I believe in having a limited government that is ruled by the people, and not vise versa. What do you mean by TOO individualistic?

Ellie. 2 kids; Arizona 25439 posts
Apr 18th '13
Quoting kacti:" Hmmm. I guess you could say I share many of the same views as included in the libertarian philosophy. ... [snip!] ... in having a limited government that is ruled by the people, and not vise versa. What do you mean by TOO individualistic?"


I pretty much identify mostly with libertarian views. :shrug:

Livin Dead Girl 3 kids; Fayetteville, GA, United States 1809 posts
Apr 18th '13

I don't think that it will cause a war but it will cause an uprising. People will not sit back and let their rights be taken away or limited.
What will happen is that if even one of the laws passes with even the tiniest limitation on gun rights another will be passed and another and another and before long you will not be able to get a gun/ have to surrender any guns that you might have.
I am a very proud gun owner and have been since I was 15 years old. I refuse to have my rights taken away. Just because you make them illegal doesn't mean the they will be taken away from the people that actually mean to do people harm. Tell me again how meth and coke are illegal and kept off the streets?

Sofie+#2 2 kids; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7799 posts
Apr 19th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" Hmmm. I guess you could say I share many of the same views as included in the libertarian philosophy. ... [snip!] ... in having a limited government that is ruled by the people, and not vise versa. What do you mean by TOO individualistic?"</blockquote>




Well, I agree with a lot of the personal freedoms and liberty side, but I don't mind taxes and think they are necessary. Libertarianism is basically an ideology, it will never work, for instance the free market, because people are too greedy and self important. Look at the banks here in the UK, thatcher deregulated them and they went back to their crooked ways. Corporations are too big to fail and that needs to change, but it wouldn't if there were no regulations on anything.
There are some nice ideas in there, but nothing that is viable in this day and age. They expect charities to fund hospitals and the support the poor, but even charity CEOs take home millions for themselves.



I think it's like communism in that sense, nice idea on paper but wouldn't work in reality.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
Apr 19th '13
Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" Hmmm. I guess you could say I share many of the ... [snip!] ... home millions for themselves. I think it's like communism in that sense, nice idea on paper but wouldn't work in reality."


I don't mind the idea of taxes... but I have to admit that the whole relationship between tax dollars and government assistance for the "needy", the way the systems are run and what not, pisses me off. My husband and I bust our butts to make a living. I work 40 hours a week, he works 60-70. When it's tax time we end up sending a check to the IRS every year for anywhere from 2000-7000 dollars. While there are people who sit on their butts all year, and get government help with daycare, food, housing, and cash, and still collect 3000 a year for each of their children. If I was in a position where I needed daycare... I would not qualify for government help, yet it would take more to pay for daycare than what i make every month. People abuse the system, and the government lets them. If it was left up to the people and charities to help the needy, then I believe the abuse of the system would cease because if the abuse didn't then the assistance would! That IMO is how it should be.
(Now.. before I get jumped on for that, please understand I am not trash talking people who need assistance... I'm specifically talking about those who do nothing, sit at home and get high all day, and send their kids to daycare, and let the taxpayers pay for everything.. that's who I'm referring, too... and yes there are an abundance of people who do that, my SIL being one of them.)



That being said, I still have to agree with you, that it would probably never work in actuality, but it's a nice thought.

Sofie+#2 2 kids; Sheffield, So, United Kingdom 7799 posts
Apr 19th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I don't mind the idea of taxes... but I have to admit that the whole relationship between tax dollars ... [snip!] ... That being said, I still have to agree with you, that it would probably never work in actuality, but it's a nice thought."</blockquote>




I totally agree with you and everything you just said. Something has to change, it's just really hard to know what. I am totally for public healthcare though, and a lot of things being nationalised, especially things which make profit.
We relied on govt assistance (still receive some) while we were both in FT education, and we're finally getting to a point where we will only be on in work top up benefits. It needs to be at a point where it makes more sense for people to be in work than out. Really the job market needs to change, because someone working minimum wage can't afford rent and bills and food and childcare, so it's financially more viable to not work sometimes. Which is not a good thing for anyone.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
Apr 19th '13
Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I don't mind the idea of taxes... but I have to ... [snip!] ... and bills and food and childcare, so it's financially more viable to not work sometimes. Which is not a good thing for anyone."


I can't really say that I am for public healthcare... I mean at least not mandatory.
Obamacare is a freakin' joke IMO.