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Food and Healthcare for the homeless? Nymphadora 98 kids; Arizona 3120 posts
30th Apr '13

I have a good friend, who has since bettered his situation, that at one point was homeless for 2 years. In the state of Arizona, it is nearly impossible for a non-seriously disabled adult (especially a man) to receive benefits for the poor if they do not have dependent children. During these 2 years, he was denied food stamps and Medicaid on 6 occasions. He had a mailing address at a local shelter where he slept during the summer (the place is strictly sleep only, no meals). He had absolutely 0 income. His only meals came from the Saturday brunch the local church gave out to the homeless each week and a food box he could only receive once a month. Do you feel that it was unfair for this man to be denied aid?



ETA: This man is mentally ill, but is stable as long as he is medicated. However, he couldn't afford his medication during these years and couldn't see a psychiatrist. We(his friends) helped as much as possible, but when off his meds, we would sometimes not hear from him for months because he had had a break from reality.

orchidlovingmama 2 kids; Santa Rosa, California 1733 posts
30th Apr '13

Yes i do. In California there is a program called general relief where single men/ women with no dependents can receive aid in exchange for working doing things such as cleaning up the community. There are also programs called labor ready where anyone can show to a location and work for the day for different business that may be short on staff but im not sure exactly how that works. I think arizina is a republican state.....no wonder they are so restrictive with their aid. Ridiculous to me. : (

Sofia's Mummy♥ 1 child; United Kingdom 7331 posts
30th Apr '13

Yes it is completely unfair.



This is why I love our national health service. Nobody is denied free care.

kthx. TTC since Nov 2012; Cleves, Ohio 65233 posts
30th Apr '13

Why couldn't he go to something like Labor Ready? My dad did it every single day for a little over a year in order to raise my sister and I.... without FS or any cash aid. It was rough, but he did it. I don't understand why a man with no dependents couldn't do that, either. So... while it's sad he probably went a day or two without food, he should've made more efforts to make money. There are ALWAYS odd jobs for people to do on a day-by-day basis.

S U Z I E 3 kids; Venezuela 18554 posts
30th Apr '13

He could have gotten free medications from Southern Arizona mental health clinic... :(
It's really sad that pregnant teens get more benefits than grown people who just fall on hard times..

☆º×ß¡±©µ×º☆ Due September 18; 3 kids; 1 angel baby; Centralia, Washington 44120 posts
30th Apr '13

maybe im wrong for feeling this way but what about the people that bust their asses day in and day out trying to take care of their families?Sometimes people need to help themselves in order to get help from others .

BunnyGirl19 Due December 13; 3 kids; 10 angel babies; Oregon 16030 posts
30th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Worthless

weefee 1 child; Paris, France 401 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting Sofia's Mummy♥:" Yes it is completely unfair. This is why I love our national health service. Nobody is denied free care."


I agree. If only the tories would stop ripping it apart, not that Labour's much better mind you.

weefee 1 child; Paris, France 401 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting Worthless
kthx. TTC since Nov 2012; Cleves, Ohio 65233 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting weefee:" Maybe but his health problems could have stopped him from seeking the appropriate help and from carrying ... [snip!] ... the free meds that could have been given. I dunno I tend to think we should all help each other I mean it could be us one day."

You live in France :lol: I don't think things work the same over there, as they do here.



If his mental health problems were that severe (as in he couldn't work)... he would've gotten disability. Since he didn't have disability, he was obviously competent and healthy enough to work.

The Bear and The Bird 2 kids; Vantaa, Finland 42574 posts
30th Apr '13

I live in Arizona too and I've never experienced a homeless man being denied. I have volunteered at a homeless shelter and have helped quite a few single, childless men get aid.



Sometimes people fall through the cracks, but if your friend got denied that many times, I'm going to say he's probably the one dropping the ball and not complying with the jobs program or something else.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22813 posts
30th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Nymphadora:</b>" I have a good friend, who has since bettered his situation, that at one point was homeless for 2 years. ... [snip!] ... as possible, but when off his meds, we would sometimes not hear from him for months because he had had a break from reality."</blockquote>




I think we should do much more for the mentally ill. Also, I think laws make it difficult to help those with mental illness. Perhaps your friend is one of them.
I don't know the situation and the details, but if rather see someone suffer for 2 years than be on 5 welfare programs for 10 years.
I think communities should be the first line of significant help for citizens. I don't think the government should be the first line.
Your post was rather brief. I think there is more to the story.

orchidlovingmama 2 kids; Santa Rosa, California 1733 posts
30th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kthx.:</b>" You live in France :lol: I don't think things work the same over there, as they do here. If his mental ... [snip!] ... work)... he would've gotten disability. Since he didn't have disability, he was obviously competent and healthy enough to work."</blockquote>




Its not necessarily true that he would automatically just 'have' disability if he was disabled. In my state you have to apply for disability which can be an extensive process where you are required to have a doctors recommendation and other documentation that could be very difficult to get if you have no medical insurance, car, home, money, or support. So youre wrong, atleast in my state, that his disability would automatically entitle him to benefits. This also works the same with SSI which is the benefit only given to mentally disabled people who are able to PROVE they have a disability.

michele is expecting Due October 28; New York, New York 319 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting Nymphadora:" I have a good friend, who has since bettered his situation, that at one point was homeless for 2 years. ... [snip!] ... as possible, but when off his meds, we would sometimes not hear from him for months because he had had a break from reality."

god bless him

......... nowhere, NW, United States 25972 posts
30th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kthx.:</b>" You live in France :lol: I don't think things work the same over there, as they do here. If his mental ... [snip!] ... work)... he would've gotten disability. Since he didn't have disability, he was obviously competent and healthy enough to work."</blockquote>




That's not always true.



I've seen people who were seriously disabled be denied repeatedly and then people who were alcoholics receive it. Our system is messed up.