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orchidlovingmama 2 kids; Santa Rosa, California 1769 posts
30th Apr '13

A miscarriage is by definition an abortion. Some people are just stupid and think they have the right to choose what a women does with her body. Id like to see every pro choice person take custody of a fetal alcohol syndrome baby, or a drug addicted baby, or a baby who birth defects due to improper prenatal health. If they force women to have babies when they don't want them, just imagine how many babies would come out with problems due to the lack of interest and care the mother. Even if they outlawed abortion, how in the hell would they force mothers to take care of themselves!??? It makes no sense, I wonder how many of these people would actually adopt a severely disabled child.......they talk the talk but I highly doubt they would want to walk the walk!!!!

kentucky momma 19 kids; Corbin, Kentucky 176 posts
30th Apr '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting animaLibera_:</b>" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion "Abortion is the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion ... [snip!] ... or it can be purposely induced. The term abortionmost commonly refers to the induced abortion of a human pregnancy.""</blockquote>



but a miscarriage isnt typically thought of as something thats wanted, a abortion is something that you want done

animaLibera_ 1 child; Ohio 7933 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting 6 blessings so far....:" When your body expells a pregnancy its because the fetus has died already.....the heart has stopped beating ... [snip!] ... of life support and a person w/brain function off of life support. I am not being arguementative just stating the ''logic''"


But in the case that the woman's body was not prepared to carry a pregnancy and not on the end of the fetus being defective wouldn't that imply that the woman's body caused the fetus to die?

animaLibera_ 1 child; Ohio 7933 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting kentucky momma:" <blockquote><b>Quoting animaLibera_:</b>" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion "Abortion ... [snip!] ... but a miscarriage isnt typically thought of as something thats wanted, a abortion is something that you want done"


not true, in some cases yes it is certainly wanted but not all

Sarah ♥ K&K 2 kids; 2 angel babies; South Land, CA, United States 117367 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting kentucky momma:" MAYBE you should look up the definitions to miscarriage and abortion, cause its 2 totally different things even if the end result is the same"


Actually the medical definition of a miscarriage is spontaneous abortion.

Sarah ♥ K&K 2 kids; 2 angel babies; South Land, CA, United States 117367 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting kentucky momma:" <blockquote><b>Quoting animaLibera_:</b>" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion "Abortion ... [snip!] ... but a miscarriage isnt typically thought of as something thats wanted, a abortion is something that you want done"


Nope..

*Soon 2B G0rda* Due December 24 (boy); 3 kids; Mexico 8906 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting Dr. Paradigm Shift:" Looks like YOU should look it up. Spontaneous abortion=miscarriage. "


:!:

ρiηkie ρie 3 kids; 3 angel babies; Kentucky 21902 posts
30th Apr '13

(For the record I'm totally pro-choice so keep that in mind, just trying to explain how others see it, kwim?)



It's like this, a miscarriage isn't something we can control. We can't do anything to stop it from happening, in the sense that we can't change our age, genetics, health issues, etc. It's also not something we choose, it's random "luck."



That's not true of an abortion. We choose to end the pregnancy and by extension, the baby's life. And in a lot of cases we DO have the ability to change our situations and environments. It may be a struggle, but it could still theoretically be done.



(Now, like I said, I'm pro-choice but I don't think miscarriage and abortion are comparable in the way you're saying. Sure, technically speaking the end result is the same but for someone who has a miscarriage, there's no choice involved. I didn't get to decide, I just lost my kids and if I had the choice I wouldn't have. I'm not trying to say that having an abortion isn't just as hard to deal with emotionally as a miscarriage either, I'm sure for some women it is, maybe even more so. But to me it's not the same thing.)

Amelia [a Mom] 1 child; 4 angel babies; Tallahassee, Florida 15038 posts
status 30th Apr '13
Quoting kentucky momma:" MAYBE you should look up the definitions to miscarriage and abortion, cause its 2 totally different things even if the end result is the same"


They're both abortions. One is spontaneous and the other induced.

animaLibera_ 1 child; Ohio 7933 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting ρiηkie ρie:" (For the record I'm totally pro-choice so keep that in mind, just trying to explain how others see it, ... [snip!] ... emotionally as a miscarriage either, I'm sure for some women it is, maybe even more so. But to me it's not the same thing.) "


So, it is not rooted in science, logic, or reasoning but in one's own personal philosophy regardless of belief in free will?

loser mom 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Oslo, ,, Norway 10589 posts
status 30th Apr '13
Quoting animaLibera_:" But in the case that the woman's body was not prepared to carry a pregnancy and not on the end of the fetus being defective wouldn't that imply that the woman's body caused the fetus to die?"


I don't agree with that. Usually, early miscarriages are the result of a chromosome abnormality. The woman's body isn't at fault.

animaLibera_ 1 child; Ohio 7933 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting loser mom:" I don't agree with that. Usually, early miscarriages are the result of a chromosome abnormality. The woman's body isn't at fault. "


There is no instance of a woman's body rejecting a pregnancy because of it's own inability to nurture it?

loser mom 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Oslo, ,, Norway 10589 posts
status 30th Apr '13
Quoting animaLibera_:" There is no instance of a woman's body rejecting a pregnancy because of it's own inability to nurture it?"


In later stages of pregnancy, yes. But I was specifically referring to early losses.

animaLibera_ 1 child; Ohio 7933 posts
30th Apr '13
Quoting loser mom:" In later stages of pregnancy, yes. But I was specifically referring to early losses. "


Ohh okay, in OP I was referring specifically to cases that do not involve any problems with the baby but with the mother

loser mom 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Oslo, ,, Norway 10589 posts
status 30th Apr '13
Quoting animaLibera_:" Ohh okay, in OP I was referring specifically to cases that do not involve any problems with the baby but with the mother"


ohhh.. yeah :)



I think I agreed with you for the most part. I don't think it makes much sense to say it's only "okay" if God induces the abortion.