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K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
13th May '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I use to lean towards that theory as well... but ... [snip!] ... own wedding.. That's my thought on it.."</blockquote> But if you're married, it wouldn't be sexual immorality, right?"


Right. That's the point. He says it's better to not marry, if you can control your sexual urges- If you can't control those- then get married, and have sex with your spouse, and that is not a sin... I'm paraphrasing, obviously

Minion Due September 30 (girl); 3 kids; ., GA, United States 21688 posts
13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" Right. That's the point. He says it's better to not marry, if you can control your sexual urges- If ... [snip!] ... you can't control those- then get married, and have sex with your spouse, and that is not a sin... I'm paraphrasing, obviously"</blockquote>



Ah ok I understand now. :)



Maybe he found out that he couldn't keep his urges in check and married? In the Bible, he was God, but he was also human too. I don't think it would have made him any less divine for him to have those urges and need to marry.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
13th May '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" Right. That's the point. He says it's better to ... [snip!] ... but he was also human too. I don't think it would have made him any less divine for him to have those urges and need to marry."


I don't think it would have made Him less divine either...but the Bible talks about how he was tempted and refused, so I can't believe he would marry to avoid acting sinfully-when he had already resisted temptation, and told Satan, "You shall not tempt the Lord your God." I think it's pretty safe to say that he wasn't even tempted anymore after that (since Satan has to yield to Jesus Christ's commands)... also... Paul says in Corinthians "I would rather you be unmarried, like me- but if you can't maintain celibacy, then take a wife."- Well IMO Paul was following Christ's example by choosing to remain unmarried- I don't think he would've taken that route on his own accord..

Minion Due September 30 (girl); 3 kids; ., GA, United States 21688 posts
13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I don't think it would have made Him less divine either...but the Bible talks about how he was tempted ... [snip!] ... was following Christ's example by choosing to remain unmarried- I don't think he would've taken that route on his own accord.."</blockquote>



Maybe so.



I thought it was in our nature to be sinful because of what Eve did in the garden. I didn't think Satan personally whispered every temptation in our ear. It would be an interesting thing to research, though.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
13th May '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I don't think it would have made Him less divine ... [snip!] ... I didn't think Satan personally whispered every temptation in our ear. It would be an interesting thing to research, though."


That's true, IMO... we are naturally sinful because of Eve... but I honestly believe that Jesus was the exception to that... I think He was perfect, and therefore not sinful by nature, so His temptation came from Satan.. literally, directly... whereas our temptation is sort of... innate. Indirectly all temptation comes from Satan-since he was the one who tempted Eve, resulting in man's sinful nature... but with Jesus, he didn't have that innate desire to sin.. yes He was human, but He was also one with God, which made Him... perfect.

Minion Due September 30 (girl); 3 kids; ., GA, United States 21688 posts
13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" That's true, IMO... we are naturally sinful because of Eve... but I honestly believe that Jesus was ... [snip!] ... Jesus, he didn't have that innate desire to sin.. yes He was human, but He was also one with God, which made Him... perfect."</blockquote>




That makes sense.



I always thought Jesus had all the human traits like a sinful nature and struggled with it constantly, but since he was divine in the Bible, he fought through it and never have in.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
13th May '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" That's true, IMO... we are naturally sinful because ... [snip!] ... a sinful nature and struggled with it constantly, but since he was divine in the Bible, he fought through it and never have in."


That's what I and most Christians (I'm assuming) believe. I think the reason Jesus was free of a sinful nature was so that He could set the "perfect example". And since he was without sin, His death on the cross, became the ultimate sacrifice- which is why all that is required for coverage of our sins is to accept Him, and repent... much simpler than before Christ.

Minion Due September 30 (girl); 3 kids; ., GA, United States 21688 posts
13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" That's what I and most Christians (I'm assuming) believe. I think the reason Jesus was free of a sinful ... [snip!] ... which is why all that is required for coverage of our sins is to accept Him, and repent... much simpler than before Christ."</blockquote>



Ah. But wouldn't he be a better candidate for a perfect example if he did have a sinful nature and just fought against it and won? That way he could say something like "I won against sin and you can do if you fight and believe." Wouldn't it be a better example and help him understand how hard it is for humans than if he effortlessly didn't have the urge to sin?




Sorry if that was hard to understand. Lol I'm at work and a fire truck just pulled up next to the playground out the window and firefighters are getting out. Now a SUV and a police bike just pulled up. Lol I'm distracted.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
13th May '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" That's what I and most Christians (I'm assuming) ... [snip!] ... the playground out the window and firefighters are getting out. Now a SUV and a police bike just pulled up. Lol I'm distracted."


I understand... I've been trying to get out of here for the last hour, but you keep sucking me back in.. LOL.



I don't think there's anyway it could've turned out any better.. I mean the idea of what you just proposed sounds Great! But everything is as it is and was as it was for a reason... everything would've been thrown out of balance IMO if He had struggled with sinful urges... instead He dealt with and overcame other struggles (I mean if people were nailing me to a cross, spitting in my face, mocking me, tearing my clothes, and much much worse, I would HATE them, but instead Christ forgave them, and asked God, the Father to forgive them)... I think that alone says a lot more about His perfection than overcoming any innate sin... He was able to teach us other things by example, and He did teach us about defeating sin and resisting temptation- it was just much more direct for Him, than for most people- as you put it, Satan was whispering in His ear, rather than Him being tempted just by having a sinful nature... if that makes sense.



I'm getting outta here for the rest of the evening... be back tomorrow :)

Minion Due September 30 (girl); 3 kids; ., GA, United States 21688 posts
13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I understand... I've been trying to get out of here for the last hour, but you keep sucking me back ... [snip!] ... by having a sinful nature... if that makes sense. I'm getting outta here for the rest of the evening... be back tomorrow :)"</blockquote>




I'm leaving the topic of sin because I don't have anything else to add lol.



When Jesus died he cried out "father why have you forsaken me?"
Which I have heard two explanations for. First is that Jesus saw that God turned his back on him because Jesus turned into sin. And Second, because Jesus believed God was going to save him and realized he was wrong.



By that quote, do you believe that Jesus wasn't let in on the whole plan? If he knew God couldn't stand the sight of him in sin and would send him to Hell, he wouldn't have cried out "why have you forsaken me?" Right?




I think I found out what the fire dept is doing. Apparently they're training because they're all suited up in the parking lot and shooting the water And lifting the ladder as high as it will go and the men are just climbing up and down.

lamr - 02-08-13-21 2 kids; Crazytown, ON, Canada 5995 posts
status 13th May '13

I personally think the bible has been edited over the years. If you think about society at the time, there is no way that the males would have allowed messages such as women equality, etc to be promoted when that is the opposite of what they were trying to achieve.



The wedding scenario probably would have been edited out, had it not have been for the miracle. Therefore, it was just added that he had been invited and leaves out that it was his.



If the bible was found today, i have no doubt the root messages would be the same, but a lot about a lot of things would be different.



Has anyone heard about the gospel of Mary madgadele? I think there was a gospel of Judus as well, but I'm not 100% sure. Apparently these were found long after the bible was published. It's not complete, but there's a lot there.



I find it interesting.

Minion Due September 30 (girl); 3 kids; ., GA, United States 21688 posts
13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting lamr - 02-08-13-21:</b>" I personally think the bible has been edited over the years. If you think about society at the time, ... [snip!] ... these were found long after the bible was published. It's not complete, but there's a lot there. I find it interesting."</blockquote>



Yes and there was a gospel of Thomas too, along with others I can't remember.



And I agree with you. After all this time the probability of the Bible being added to and having parts taken out is very very high. People add and take things that suit their own agendas at the time. And after so many hundreds and hundreds of years, the edits become canon.

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting lamr - 02-08-13-21:</b>" I personally think the bible has been edited over the years. If you think about society at the time, ... [snip!] ... these were found long after the bible was published. It's not complete, but there's a lot there. I find it interesting."</blockquote>



Do you know the reasons that those books were not included in the Bible?



With the exception of the book of Esther, every single book of the Old Testament is either quoted or referred to in the New Testament. The phrase

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
14th May '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I understand... I've been trying to get out of ... [snip!] ... the parking lot and shooting the water And lifting the ladder as high as it will go and the men are just climbing up and down."


When Jesus said those words. He was quoting Psalms 22, and I think by doing so, He was letting the people know that in that very moment prophesy was being fulfilled, and that He was the one the prophesy was about... I think He definitely knew the plan... He even told His disciples- one of you will be betray me, He already knew it was Judas...
And the Bible says how He could have only spoken the words, and God would have sent down an army of angels to rescue Him, but instead He chose to die, to save us...

Minion Due September 30 (girl); 3 kids; ., GA, United States 21688 posts
14th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" When Jesus said those words. He was quoting Psalms 22, and I think by doing so, He was letting the people ... [snip!] ... only spoken the words, and God would have sent down an army of angels to rescue Him, but instead He chose to die, to save us..."</blockquote>




"God would have sent down an army of angels to rescue Him"



Oh the Bible says that? I haven't read that part. That's interesting.