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Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19954 posts
status 10th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Thr3e Little Birds:</b>" Exactly my point. :) Just because we do not yet have the science to prove something, does not mean it ... [snip!] ... we do not like the way He is, does not mean that will transform Him into something we want Him to be. See what I am saying?"</blockquote>




I see what you're saying.
I left Wicca once and went back to Christianity (I was raised Baptist), but I was absolutely miserable and felt like I was drowning the whole time I was in Christianity. I was 100% miserable.
So I went back to Wicca and I am very happy now. Religion or faith should never make anyone miserable and feel like they are scum, flawed, damaged, worthless, etc.



And also if someone comes to Christianity simply out of fear of Hell, that's not true devotion or whatever it's called. That person will go to Hell just the same as someone who never tried.

~Julie Blue Eyes~ 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 5999 posts
10th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Thr3e Little Birds:</b>" Oh ok. :)"</blockquote>



I reread my post and you're right, I didn't make that clear enough. :)

Clk 2 kids; Dexter, Michigan 11517 posts
10th May '13
Quoting Thr3e Little Birds:" Well I believe a lot of people mean well, but they get a little carried away. The Bible says "It's your ... [snip!] ... torturing themselves going through painful procedures that do not work, when all they had to do was drink this formula you had?"


I would tell them yes, but if they say no thank you then I would let them be. I wouldn't keep pestering them until one day they stop answering my calls or the door. It is ultimately their choice.

lamr - 02-08-13-21 2 kids; Crazytown, ON, Canada 5921 posts
13th May '13

I want to thank you ladies. Because of this thread, I have been doing a lot of reading and research. A lot of things (re: the bible) are quite interesting. I personally am loving reading about how things are/could be interpreted wrong. I'm LOVING reading about Mary Magdalene and her role in Jesus's life.

Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19954 posts
status 13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting lamr - 02-08-13-21:</b>" I want to thank you ladies. Because of this thread, I have been doing a lot of reading and research. ... [snip!] ... reading about how things are/could be interpreted wrong. I'm LOVING reading about Mary Magdalene and her role in Jesus's life."</blockquote>



I like the theory that they were married. Being married would not make Jesus any less perfect, like a lot of religious people like to think. He wouldn't be commiting any sin. And back in those day it would have been HIGHLY uncommon and frowned upon for a man his age to be unwed.

lamr - 02-08-13-21 2 kids; Crazytown, ON, Canada 5921 posts
13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Minion:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting lamr - 02-08-13-21:</b>" I want to thank you ladies. Because ... [snip!] ... be commiting any sin. And back in those day it would have been HIGHLY uncommon and frowned upon for a man his age to be unwed."</blockquote>




Yes, definitely.



The water into wine miracle is said to be at their wedding. It apparently doesn't say who's wedding it was. The bridegroom was in charge of bringing the wine. According to theory, it would have been outrageous for Mary and Jesus to be ordering servants around at someone else's wedding, but this is exactly what they were doing. This wouldn't seem at all odd if it were actually Jesus's wedding.



Personally, I love this and it totally feels right to me :)

Pinkie Pie Washington 603 posts
13th May '13

I don't think "he" cares because "he" doesn't exist. "He" is just a method of social control cooked up by sheep-sacrificing desert people 2000 years ago that got WAY out of hand.

Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19954 posts
status 13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting lamr - 02-08-13-21:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Minion:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting lamr - 02-08-13-21:</b>" ... [snip!] ... wouldn't seem at all odd if it were actually Jesus's wedding. Personally, I love this and it totally feels right to me :)"</blockquote>




I have never thought about that before! I love it! It makes a lot of sense!



I believe that Jesus existed at one time, but I don't think he was divine at all. He was simply a good man with a good message (love one another, don't judge, help each other, etc).



I'm fascinated with his life.

Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19954 posts
status 13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Stahp:</b>" I don't think "he" cares because "he" doesn't exist. "He" is just a method of social control cooked up by sheep-sacrificing desert people 2000 years ago that got WAY out of hand."</blockquote>




Rawr. Lol

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
13th May '13
Quoting lamr - 02-08-13-21:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Minion:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting lamr - 02-08-13-21:</b>" ... [snip!] ... wouldn't seem at all odd if it were actually Jesus's wedding. Personally, I love this and it totally feels right to me :)"


I use to lean towards that theory as well... but after reading the Bible more- I don't think that's a possibility.. only because Jesus speaks of how it's better to not marry if you can practice self control and avoid giving in to sexual immorality... that being said, I don't think He would've preached one thing, and then practiced another...



Also, it was his mother, Mary who attended the wedding at Cana with Him.
Also, it says He and His disciples were invited to the wedding at Cana, and it doesn't make sense to be invited to your own wedding.. That's my thought on it..

Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19954 posts
status 13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I use to lean towards that theory as well... but after reading the Bible more- I don't think that's ... [snip!] ... were invited to the wedding at Cana, and it doesn't make sense to be invited to your own wedding.. That's my thought on it.."</blockquote>




But if you're married, it wouldn't be sexual immorality, right?

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
13th May '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I use to lean towards that theory as well... but ... [snip!] ... own wedding.. That's my thought on it.."</blockquote> But if you're married, it wouldn't be sexual immorality, right?"


Right. That's the point. He says it's better to not marry, if you can control your sexual urges- If you can't control those- then get married, and have sex with your spouse, and that is not a sin... I'm paraphrasing, obviously

Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19954 posts
status 13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" Right. That's the point. He says it's better to not marry, if you can control your sexual urges- If ... [snip!] ... you can't control those- then get married, and have sex with your spouse, and that is not a sin... I'm paraphrasing, obviously"</blockquote>



Ah ok I understand now. :)



Maybe he found out that he couldn't keep his urges in check and married? In the Bible, he was God, but he was also human too. I don't think it would have made him any less divine for him to have those urges and need to marry.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
13th May '13
Quoting Minion:" <blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" Right. That's the point. He says it's better to ... [snip!] ... but he was also human too. I don't think it would have made him any less divine for him to have those urges and need to marry."


I don't think it would have made Him less divine either...but the Bible talks about how he was tempted and refused, so I can't believe he would marry to avoid acting sinfully-when he had already resisted temptation, and told Satan, "You shall not tempt the Lord your God." I think it's pretty safe to say that he wasn't even tempted anymore after that (since Satan has to yield to Jesus Christ's commands)... also... Paul says in Corinthians "I would rather you be unmarried, like me- but if you can't maintain celibacy, then take a wife."- Well IMO Paul was following Christ's example by choosing to remain unmarried- I don't think he would've taken that route on his own accord..

Minion Due September 30; 2 kids; Toccoa, GA, United States 19954 posts
status 13th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kacti:</b>" I don't think it would have made Him less divine either...but the Bible talks about how he was tempted ... [snip!] ... was following Christ's example by choosing to remain unmarried- I don't think he would've taken that route on his own accord.."</blockquote>



Maybe so.



I thought it was in our nature to be sinful because of what Eve did in the garden. I didn't think Satan personally whispered every temptation in our ear. It would be an interesting thing to research, though.