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mom of three 3 kids; Missouri 5701 posts
status 19th May '13
Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:" i get a lot of the old laws. But how can anyone be harmed by wearing cloth made of two materials? that stumps me."


Material has frequency that affects our bodies.



Go to this site, I didnt read it all but it kind of explains it:
http://messianicgentiles.blogspot.com/2010/02/mixing-things-livestockclothseeds.html

Mandy Schlatterer Due March 27 (girl); 2 kids; New Port Richey, Florida 1513 posts
19th May '13
Quoting Asher and Haddie's Mommy:" Yep. Even if you follow the Torah to a T, observe every Holiday, go to Synagogue constantly, if your mother isn't Jewish, the state of Israel will NOT recognize you as a Jew. "


but a messianic jew would know/care to realize that jesus/yeshua spoke of salvation for both jews AND gentiles, so how could non-jews-by-blood not be considered jewish? as a faith, not a blood line. Or is that just the non-messianic jews? lol I don't think i'm wording this right but I'm trying..

Christan_89 2 kids; Grapevine, Texas 8043 posts
19th May '13
Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:" but a messianic jew would know/care to realize that jesus/yeshua spoke of salvation for both jews AND ... [snip!] ... as a faith, not a blood line. Or is that just the non-messianic jews? lol I don't think i'm wording this right but I'm trying.."


Jewish people see the term "messianic Jew" as an oxymoron. They think that if you believe in Christ as the Messiah, you are NOT Jewish. It's like an idle thing. If your bloodline is Jewish and you believe in Christ, they see you as a Jew who converted to Christianity. You're Jewish by ethnicity (descendants of Abraham), but not by faith. Messianic Judaism was created as it's own religion in a sense, for Jews who believe in Christ but still follow the Torah. So it doesn't really matter what Jews think about it... it's not their bag, baby. Lol.



ETA: And as far as the reverse goes, as in "if I want to be a Messianic Jew, what is there to stop me? I still consider myself one." You sure can. It's just that Israel will not recognize you as one. Not that that really matters to most people here in America.

Mandy Schlatterer Due March 27 (girl); 2 kids; New Port Richey, Florida 1513 posts
19th May '13
Quoting 15 weeks with #3!:" Material has frequency that affects our bodies. Go to this site, I didnt read it all but it kind of explains it: http://messianicgentiles.blogspot.com/2010/02/mixing-things-livestockclothseeds.html"


.....wow.
Tired. I'll read all that tomorrow. But if there is science behind that, then that went from misunderstood nonsense to increasing my faith lol

mom of three 3 kids; Missouri 5701 posts
status 19th May '13
Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:" but a messianic jew would know/care to realize that jesus/yeshua spoke of salvation for both jews AND ... [snip!] ... as a faith, not a blood line. Or is that just the non-messianic jews? lol I don't think i'm wording this right but I'm trying.."


Jews dont think like that. Jews are told in scripture that they are Gods people. They take that to mean that Jews are better than everyone else. Im not talking bad about Jews here, its just a fact. It also says in scripture that Jews will be hated for it... and they are! People are so anti-semetic these days, Jews are hated more than anyone else in the world (or so it seems). So Jews think that its a blood purity thing and converts arnt Gods people. They are very proud. lol.

Mandy Schlatterer Due March 27 (girl); 2 kids; New Port Richey, Florida 1513 posts
19th May '13
Quoting 15 weeks with #3!:" Jews dont think like that. Jews are told in scripture that they are Gods people. They take that to mean ... [snip!] ... world (or so it seems). So Jews think that its a blood purity thing and converts arnt Gods people. They are very proud. lol."


:/



So...what do messianic jews beleive about those who don't accept Christ, or Yeshua, as the messiah? Is the beleif hell, or death, or what?

mom of three 3 kids; Missouri 5701 posts
status 19th May '13
Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:" :/ So...what do messianic jews beleive about those who don't accept Christ, or Yeshua, as the messiah? Is the beleif hell, or death, or what?"


Im not sure what most Messianics believe... I have a feeling that they are like Christians in thinking that you have to accept Christ to be saved, but I personally dont believe that..
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Mom[Oh] 2 kids; Fort Wayne, IN, United States 639 posts
19th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:</b>" Is anyone here a messianic jew?"</blockquote>




I am. :)

Mom[Oh] 2 kids; Fort Wayne, IN, United States 639 posts
19th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:</b>" :/ So...what do messianic jews beleive about those who don't accept Christ, or Yeshua, as the messiah? Is the beleif hell, or death, or what?"</blockquote>




There is no longer Jew or Greek...anyone who accepts Yahshua as the saviour and keeps his Torah...(first five books of the bible) you are apart of Israel.(after immersion " Baptism".



When you die you are in a sleeping state until the first resurection(judgement day)

Mom[Oh] 2 kids; Fort Wayne, IN, United States 639 posts
19th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:</b>" :/ So...what do messianic jews beleive about those who don't accept Christ, or Yeshua, as the messiah? Is the beleif hell, or death, or what?"</blockquote>




Those that don't accept Yahshua (the name is important) the burn in the lake of fire, Gehenna, or commonly know as hell. But everyone will receive proper judgment first.

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
19th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Asher and Haddie's Mommy:</b>" Interesting question. One I've had discussions with my loved ones over many time. Jesus said "I did ... [snip!] ... Yes and No. He said you can't follow the Torah, you cannot be perfect . but you should try. That's how I feel about it. "</blockquote>



Excellent explanation, IMHO.

mom of three 3 kids; Missouri 5701 posts
status 19th May '13
Quoting Mama♡MoriYah :]:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:</b>" :/ So...what do messianic jews beleive ... [snip!] ... is important) the burn in the lake of fire, Gehenna, or commonly know as hell. But everyone will receive proper judgment first."


The name is important, especially to sacred namers, but I dont believe that if you call him Christ, you are going to hell.
To me its like the same as calling my mom "mom" and "Michelle" her name is Michelle, but her title is mom. Gods name is Yahweh, but his title is God. Christs name is Yeshuah, but his title is Christ... or messiah

weefee 1 child; Glasgow, Î, United Kingdom 438 posts
19th May '13
Quoting 15 weeks with #3!:" Jews dont think like that. Jews are told in scripture that they are Gods people. They take that to mean ... [snip!] ... world (or so it seems). So Jews think that its a blood purity thing and converts arnt Gods people. They are very proud. lol."


I think the problem is that lots of people conflate Israel with Jews, which is wrong. You can dislike Israeli government policy without disliking Jews. Many Jews dislike Israeli policy but many people seem to think of Israel as equal to the Jewish people which is not true. Of course you have the idiot wannabe nazis who hate Jews but they are equal opportunities haters and hate pretty much everyone.



I think in the west Muslims face more hatred and mistrust wheras in the middle east Jews are particularly hated.



Anyways I'm an atheist but fascinated by religion, i'd never really thought of messianic Jews before. It seems quite contradictory to me as I always believed that Christians (catholic and protestant) were supposed to follow both old and new testament thus Messsianic jews would be christian. Although I could see I suppose if you take the blood line definition that they would be considered Jewish. Anyways it's an interesting topic.

mom of three 3 kids; Missouri 5701 posts
status 19th May '13
Quoting weefee:" I think the problem is that lots of people conflate Israel with Jews, which is wrong. You can dislike ... [snip!] ... see I suppose if you take the blood line definition that they would be considered Jewish. Anyways it's an interesting topic."


Thats probably true. Muslims seem to be hated by a lot of different groups of people as well. I guess I just see more Jew haters (personally) since people associate me with them. I have never gotten into a discussion on Muslims, their faith, or what they are portrayed as doing so I havent seen a lot of Muslim haters.. although I am aware they exist.



But no, Christians for the most part say that the old testament has been done away with. If you go to a pastor (of any Christian faith) he will tell you to start reading your bible in the New testament. Whereas Messianics believe the part in scripture where it says "I am the same today, tomorrow, and forever." Meaning that we dont believe he has done away with the laws of Torah.



I guess the main difference between Christians and Messianics is Torah. Kosher laws, unclean laws, keeping Sabbath, observing the holidays that are in scripture (to Messianics, Christian holidays are not celebrated.), Etc.

Mom[Oh] 2 kids; Fort Wayne, IN, United States 639 posts
19th May '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting 15 weeks with #3!:</b>" The name is important, especially to sacred namers, but I dont believe that if you call him Christ, ... [snip!] ... but her title is mom. Gods name is Yahweh, but his title is God. Christs name is Yeshuah, but his title is Christ... or messiah"</blockquote>




I would consider myself a sacred namer....we feel that when exodus 20 says do not bring my name to vain (or naught) that would mean no use or misuse of his name...I don't agree with the titles GOD OR christ because of the pagan orgins attached to them.