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Mandy Schlatterer Due March 27 (girl); 2 kids; New Port Richey, Florida 1842 posts
May 19th '13
Quoting 15 weeks with #3!:" Jews dont think like that. Jews are told in scripture that they are Gods people. They take that to mean ... [snip!] ... world (or so it seems). So Jews think that its a blood purity thing and converts arnt Gods people. They are very proud. lol."


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So...what do messianic jews beleive about those who don't accept Christ, or Yeshua, as the messiah? Is the beleif hell, or death, or what?

Mom[Oh] 2 kids; Fort Wayne, IN, United States 713 posts
May 19th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:</b>" Is anyone here a messianic jew?"</blockquote>




I am. :)

Mom[Oh] 2 kids; Fort Wayne, IN, United States 713 posts
May 19th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:</b>" :/ So...what do messianic jews beleive about those who don't accept Christ, or Yeshua, as the messiah? Is the beleif hell, or death, or what?"</blockquote>




There is no longer Jew or Greek...anyone who accepts Yahshua as the saviour and keeps his Torah...(first five books of the bible) you are apart of Israel.(after immersion " Baptism".



When you die you are in a sleeping state until the first resurection(judgement day)

Mom[Oh] 2 kids; Fort Wayne, IN, United States 713 posts
May 19th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:</b>" :/ So...what do messianic jews beleive about those who don't accept Christ, or Yeshua, as the messiah? Is the beleif hell, or death, or what?"</blockquote>




Those that don't accept Yahshua (the name is important) the burn in the lake of fire, Gehenna, or commonly know as hell. But everyone will receive proper judgment first.

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
May 19th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Asher and Haddie's Mommy:</b>" Interesting question. One I've had discussions with my loved ones over many time. Jesus said "I did ... [snip!] ... Yes and No. He said you can't follow the Torah, you cannot be perfect . but you should try. That's how I feel about it. "</blockquote>



Excellent explanation, IMHO.

weefee 1 child; Glasgow, Î, United Kingdom 479 posts
May 19th '13
Quoting 15 weeks with #3!:" Jews dont think like that. Jews are told in scripture that they are Gods people. They take that to mean ... [snip!] ... world (or so it seems). So Jews think that its a blood purity thing and converts arnt Gods people. They are very proud. lol."


I think the problem is that lots of people conflate Israel with Jews, which is wrong. You can dislike Israeli government policy without disliking Jews. Many Jews dislike Israeli policy but many people seem to think of Israel as equal to the Jewish people which is not true. Of course you have the idiot wannabe nazis who hate Jews but they are equal opportunities haters and hate pretty much everyone.



I think in the west Muslims face more hatred and mistrust wheras in the middle east Jews are particularly hated.



Anyways I'm an atheist but fascinated by religion, i'd never really thought of messianic Jews before. It seems quite contradictory to me as I always believed that Christians (catholic and protestant) were supposed to follow both old and new testament thus Messsianic jews would be christian. Although I could see I suppose if you take the blood line definition that they would be considered Jewish. Anyways it's an interesting topic.

Mom[Oh] 2 kids; Fort Wayne, IN, United States 713 posts
May 19th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting 15 weeks with #3!:</b>" The name is important, especially to sacred namers, but I dont believe that if you call him Christ, ... [snip!] ... but her title is mom. Gods name is Yahweh, but his title is God. Christs name is Yeshuah, but his title is Christ... or messiah"</blockquote>




I would consider myself a sacred namer....we feel that when exodus 20 says do not bring my name to vain (or naught) that would mean no use or misuse of his name...I don't agree with the titles GOD OR christ because of the pagan orgins attached to them.

MomNextDoor 2 kids; Grapevine, Texas 8351 posts
May 19th '13
Quoting 15 weeks with #3!:" Thats probably true. Muslims seem to be hated by a lot of different groups of people as well. I guess ... [snip!] ... keeping Sabbath, observing the holidays that are in scripture (to Messianics, Christian holidays are not celebrated.), Etc."

I don't think that's true. Most Christians won't tell you that the old law is "done away with" they will say it's been fulfilled. Meaning that Christ lived according to every single law and upheld it, then paid the price for us who CAN'T follow it. That's different. And the church denomination I grew up in is founded upon the believe that "God is the same yesterday, today, and forever" and it's very important to them. Christians just recognize that it's impossible to live that way. Not that it's invalid.

MomNextDoor 2 kids; Grapevine, Texas 8351 posts
May 19th '13
Quoting 15 weeks with #3!:" I have also heard some sacred namers say that they dont say the name at all... they dont want to make ... [snip!] ... in cursing, which basically lowers his name to nothing, or to be meaningless. I guess its all in how you interpret scripture."


Yeah, if you go to a Messianic service, they will write "G-d" instead of God. Lol. I understand why, but it doesn't make sense to me, as you're still referring to God.

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8560 posts
May 19th '13
Quoting Mandy Schlatterer:" well Christians (non-catholic, with the common use of the term) are no longer jews. they accept christ, ... [snip!] ... eat shrimp and pork and wear dual-material clothing....so who really follows leviticus? So I wonder...what is the difference?"


Just out of curiosity, what do you think Catholics believe in, since you've removed them from your description of Christians?

Stfu Squirrel District of Columbia 8560 posts
May 19th '13
Quoting 15 weeks with #3!:" Probably because Catholics are poly-theistic. They pray to all the saints... not just God"


Not true.
Catholicism is monotheistic. It's my understanding that they don't pray TO the saints, they pray WITH the saints. Even if that line is too blurry, Catholics believe in one God, saints are not the same thing as God.



Catholics would fit into the same definition of Christians posted on page 1 of this thread. I'm just curious because I see that a lot on here, that Catholics aren't Christian, and I don't get it.

user banned 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6369 posts
May 20th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Asher and Haddie's Mommy:</b>" I don't think that's true. Most Christians won't tell you that the old law is "done away with" they will ... [snip!] ... and it's very important to them. Christians just recognize that it's impossible to live that way. Not that it's invalid. "</blockquote>



The need for Jesus Christ is found in our inability to keep the law.



It's so simple to those who believe, yet so confusing to those who don't.



I've enjoyed reading your responses.

Mom[Oh] 2 kids; Fort Wayne, IN, United States 713 posts
May 20th '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Stfu Squirrel:</b>" Not true. Catholicism is monotheistic. It's my understanding that they don't pray TO the saints, they ... [snip!] ... page 1 of this thread. I'm just curious because I see that a lot on here, that Catholics aren't Christian, and I don't get it."</blockquote>




Although I've actually known Catholics that don't call themselves Christians...they say they are Catholics...



If I'm not mistaken don't Catholic have their own "Catholic Bible" ?
My dad grew up a Catholic and told me this.

weefee 1 child; Glasgow, Î, United Kingdom 479 posts
May 20th '13
Quoting Mama♡MoriYah :]:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Stfu Squirrel:</b>" Not true. Catholicism is monotheistic. ... [snip!] ... Catholics... If I'm not mistaken don't Catholic have their own "Catholic Bible" ? My dad grew up a Catholic and told me this."


The catholic church is the original christian chuch. They worship only god/ Jesus but asks the saints to intercede with god to give their prayers more power. The saints are not worshiped but are respected.



Catholics do have a different bible, however it has 5 extra books in the old testament not the new testament. These 5 books I believe are in the torah thus have no impact on the new testament. The catholic bible was the Christian bible until the reformation in the 16th century when protestantism developed. Protestantism is the result of evolution within the church where there have been disagreements over certain theological points but this evolution has been going on since the beginning of the church's history. Religion is never static despite many people claiming that it is, so beliefs change depending on the polictical and social context but certain 'truths' or central beliefs remain thus giving riose to the various branches of christianity hat we know today such as baptists, catholics, wee free's etc. There are many different branches of christianity with different beliefs but they all believe in jesus christ as saviour and the holy trinity.



It is a very american thing to say that catholics aren't christian. I have never heard that outwith this site, which is mainly american. Certainly in Scotland and France Catholics are considered christian as I believe thay are in all of europe. To me I think there has been a confusion because they are different denominations of christianity but they are not different religions just as sunni and sh'iite muslims are still muslims desp

weefee 1 child; Glasgow, Î, United Kingdom 479 posts
May 20th '13
Quoting 15 weeks with #3!:" Thats probably true. Muslims seem to be hated by a lot of different groups of people as well. I guess ... [snip!] ... keeping Sabbath, observing the holidays that are in scripture (to Messianics, Christian holidays are not celebrated.), Etc."


I think that makes sense. It's been an interesting discussion. I've learned a lot about messianic Jews :)



I also kind of agree with Julie Blue eyes that Christians are probably supposed to live up to old testament rules but they believe that man is imperfect thus they cannot and that Jesus atones for their failure.