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Ellie. 34 kids; Arizona 25371 posts
26th Jun '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" ... [snip!] ... out about, so I'm wondering who they are freaking out about, since they're boycotting pampers for the term partner. Ya know?"</blockquote>



Exactly. Such a stupid reason for a boycott.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23132 posts
26th Jun '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" ... [snip!] ... out about, so I'm wondering who they are freaking out about, since they're boycotting pampers for the term partner. Ya know?"</blockquote>




Well, maybe I'm ASSuming too much as I haven't read the FB posts (I hate FB).
You mentioned couples that are very committed to each other and to their children.



I see examples on BG all the time of women in less-than-committed relationships with their "BD" as well as women with a few "BDs'". Also, there are those who don't prevent a pregnancy and refer to their BF as their "partner."
Unfortunately, the Pampers actors may be portraying a wonderful couple but the use of the word "partner" is triggering the thought of casual or irresponsible parenthood.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
26th Jun '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Thisperyears:</b>" I'm just confused as to how me not having ... [snip!] ... thousands and thousands and millions of single moms raising kids without dads certainly is having a negative impact on society."


unwed mother is not the same as single mother ... you are aware of that right? Just because you're not married doesn't mean the man is automatically going to wonder off into the night as soon as he knocks you up.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23132 posts
26th Jun '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Destiel:</b>" unwed mother is not the same as single mother ... you are aware of that right? Just because you're not ... [snip!] ... you're not married doesn't mean the man is automatically going to wonder off into the night as soon as he knocks you up."</blockquote>




Of course.
Here, especially in some areas, we have an epidemic of households with a single parent. There is no doubt that this is pulling us down.

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59965 posts
27th Jun '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" ... [snip!] ... a wonderful couple but the use of the word "partner" is triggering the thought of casual or irresponsible parenthood."</blockquote>




See, that's where I disagree wholeheartedly. I don't see a partner as a casual word, nor do I think it's fair for anyone to assume it is, just because it's not the word spouse. I see my husband as my partner. Wholeheartedly. I think it denotes a respect and a lack of necessity to define who you love and are working with for your family without necessrily bringing genders or legal status into it, which (personally, and maybe I'm assuming some here too) is what I think some may be upset about.



And, again, the example you brought up: those that cannot be legally married. Partners. Or those that are legally married are still partners.



Partners does not denote two people that are not together, and that's where I don't understand why it brings up any image of someone uncommitted. You bring up the idea of someone trying to conceive a child with their boyfriend or partner. And I again say that because two people committed to each other make a conscious decision not to marry does not mean they are any less committed to each other or their children, and the word partner means that you have someone that you at working with toward a goal or what have you.



I don't understand how the term partner makes anyones mind jump to an epidemic of households with single parents unless you are against the idea of being in a relationship without marriage. Which personally I don't think is any different aside from the legalities (which, yes, there is value in for many, and some may make a conscious decision not to marry until further down the line). There is also an epidemic of divorce, no? Or plenty of people that get married after knowing each other a few days. It does not make a married couple any more real or committed in terms of their intentions or love than a nonmarried couple who choose not to get married.




But, hey. I hate Facebook too. I not reading up on their comments.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23132 posts
27th Jun '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" ... [snip!] ... than a nonmarried couple who choose not to get married. But, hey. I hate Facebook too. I not reading up on their comments."</blockquote>




I LIKE the word "partner." In threads where the OP seeks advice on what to do about a relationship issue, I often use that word to underscores desirable behavior. IMO, people should be and choose only those who are solid partners IN life and partners FOR life before bringing kids into this world. Anything less than that is treating parenthood too casually and PERHAPS shows immaturity or ignorance.
And, as I have said before, legal marriage protects all parties, most importantly, the kids brought into the world.



To clarify, I wasn't talking about the committed and unmarried couples TTC. I was talking about the dumbasses being careless about BC who have get pregnant and then use the word "partner" when the person is just a BF or GF. Of course, sometimes a pregnancy is the impetus for creating a solid partnership and sometimes people declare their partnership foolishly after having no idea what is involved.

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59965 posts
27th Jun '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" ... [snip!] ... creating a solid partnership and sometimes people declare their partnership foolishly after having no idea what is involved."</blockquote>



Yeah, I understand that you are... But I'm wondering why the word partner then causes people to want to boycott Pampers for using the term, with no implication that it was aimed at people being careless and thoughtless about parenting and their relationships. As you said, partnership as we see it is a desirable thing. Then why are people up in arms about Pampers using the term?



Pampers didn't say hoorah for people taking their parenting and relationships lightly, they said partner. Partner does not apply, in my opinion, to people using the term to denote being careless with birth control. I'm just unsure how one makes that jump from partner in an ad, to holy shit lets boycott.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23132 posts
27th Jun '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" ... [snip!] ... being careless with birth control. I'm just unsure how one makes that jump from partner in an ad, to holy shit lets boycott."</blockquote>




Lol. Me neither. Perhaps they think it their invitation to kvetch about the real epidemic we have. I can think of more appropriate times and places.
I DO believe the conversation about the importance of commitment and maturity is a vital one. In some areas, the local culture would benefit from focus on what partnership should look like and what parenthood truly requires. Lots of communities get it and lots do not get it. The ones who don't often see being in unmarried as "progressive". Granted, those are usually people who see lots of examples of people who got married without being truly committed and subsequently divorced.



BTW, glad you are on early. It's usually just Destiel and me here at this time :)

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59965 posts
27th Jun '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" ... [snip!] ... truly committed and subsequently divorced. BTW, glad you are on early. It's usually just Destiel and me here at this time :)"</blockquote>



Yeah, seems to be, just a reason to jump to holy shit the world is crumbling.... Lets blame Pampers!



Expect to see more of me on early. Apparently my body wants me to start waking up at extremely inappropriate early morning hours despite my desire to stay snuggled in bed while I still can. Haha! No matter the time I fall asleep, I wake up 2-3 hours before I really want or need to. Alas. But hey! On the bright side it confuses the crap out of the cat.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
27th Jun '13
Quoting The Doctor:" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" ... [snip!] ... I wake up 2-3 hours before I really want or need to. Alas. But hey! On the bright side it confuses the crap out of the cat."


Expect to see more and more of me when you guys are on because pregnancy insomnia is killing me :(

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59965 posts
27th Jun '13
Quoting Destiel:" Expect to see more and more of me when you guys are on because pregnancy insomnia is killing me :("


I think that's what's making me wake up early. With DD I was just up all night, now I can generally fall asleep alright, but I wake up a zillion times, and way earlier than I want to in the morning.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
27th Jun '13
Quoting The Doctor:" I think that's what's making me wake up early. With DD I was just up all night, now I can generally fall asleep alright, but I wake up a zillion times, and way earlier than I want to in the morning."


I am awake every hour on the hour.

User 0123456789 Talofofo, GU, Guam 15032 posts
27th Jun '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting The Doctor:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" ... [snip!] ... truly committed and subsequently divorced. BTW, glad you are on early. It's usually just Destiel and me here at this time :)"


Off-topic, but I need to say this:



Thank you for being respectful and intelligent in your interactions with those that may not share your views.

The Doctor 2 kids; Whiskey Dick Mountain, WA, United States 59965 posts
27th Jun '13
Quoting Mr. Rat:" Off-topic, but I need to say this: Thank you for being respectful and intelligent in your interactions with those that may not share your views."


She's a good one to debate with. Always respectful and friendly even if your views couldn't be more opposed.

Bonnie Beaver♥ Due April 8; 2 kids; North Pole, Alaska 18313 posts
27th Jun '13

Imagine the boycott if Pamper's made a commercial with two Mom's or two Dad's. haha