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Biological Abortion Squid Kid Due July 2; 1 child; 5 angel babies; Tennessee 27643 posts
status 4th Jul '13

I've had four miscarriages, Three of them were early, one of them was a MMC and that one does not factor into this D&D.



A while back, I posted a thread on how animals abort and a debate on why humans are considered differently. Animals will often abort due to a chemical release in the mother's body.



All three of my early miscarriages, I was super stressed out. They were all early 5 weeks and under when I miscarried them. When looking up how stress affects miscarriage, I found that of women who were stressed in early pregnancy with raised hormone levels miscarried 90% of the time in weeks 3-5.




"In another study completed by Dr. Pablo Nepomnaschy of Triangle Park, North Carolina, women with higher blood Cortisol levels were 2.7 times more likely to suffer miscarriage. The study included 61 women in which 22 pregnancies were reported with 10 elevated Cortisol levels. Of the pregnant women with elevated Cortisol levels, nine miscarried, 90%. Four out of twelve pregnancies in women with no increase in Cortisol levels were miscarried, 33%. " - http://www.babymed.com/fertility/pregnancy-complications-can-stress-increase-risk-miscarriage#sthash.LHPVDctx.dpuf



http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/news/20030605/how-stress-causes-miscarriage




This got me thinking, that if I knowing this, reproduced the release of the stress hormone and miscarried purposefully, if it would be viewed as an abortion and was curious to the views on such a thing.

eKnuckles Due February 13; Florida 3438 posts
4th Jul '13

I get what you are saying, and I was stressed out during my pregnancy that ended in miscarriage, but ultimately I believe it is if the child is healthy or not (early pregnancy losses not due to premature labor or something). There are mothers who are raped and abused etc and they have healthy, happy children. The stress they would have indured would have been immense.

S & S *20weeks* Due December 29; 16 kids; Larouche, Quebec 1123 posts
4th Jul '13

I'm not against it. But then again I'm pro-choice.

MotherFalcon+2 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Lake Arrowhead, CA, United States 2552 posts
4th Jul '13

unless you injected cortisol, i dont think you could force stress to cause a mc.



your either stressed out or your not lol



and to the women going thru rape/abuse, etc i think their bodies are proably better at dealing with the stress hormone (in accordance to this theory)

Summerfrost 51 kids; Massachusetts 5705 posts
4th Jul '13

My pregnancies were incredibly stressful except my first one and I lost my first son and carried the others to term. So i guess those studies didn't work for me. :) Anyway, if there was a way to 'think' ourselves unpregnant, i personally wouldn't care if someone did it, especially in an early pregnancy like that. Some women won't even take the pill though because some of them cause fertilized egg to be 'aborted'. I personally have no issue with that either.

The Bear and The Bird 2 kids; Vantaa, Finland 42577 posts
5th Jul '13

A miscarriage is called a spontaneous abortion....



All 5 of my pregnancies were beyond stressful. I was raped, I was 16, I was 17 with a 2 month old, I was homeless and my grandmother passed and I wasn't speaking to my mom, I'd only known the dad for 2 weeks.... I only miscarried 2.

Amelia [26 wks Boy!] Due July 20; 4 angel babies; Tallahassee, Florida 14364 posts
5th Jul '13

The sample size is much too small to make a very informed judgment on it. That said, cortisol robs the body of progesterone - necessary of course for sustaining pregnancy. I would think the conditions would have to be very extreme though in order to produce enough cortisol to cause a miscarriage. Again, the sample size is troubling. Not to mention average miscarriage rates are reported at 50-75%.

Squid Kid Due July 2; 1 child; 5 angel babies; Tennessee 27643 posts
status 5th Jul '13
Quoting The Bear and The Bird:" A miscarriage is called a spontaneous abortion.... All 5 of my pregnancies were beyond stressful. I ... [snip!] ... and my grandmother passed and I wasn't speaking to my mom, I'd only known the dad for 2 weeks.... I only miscarried 2. "

That is why it is statistics. Some women just don't have a high enough level of hormone to abort

The Bear and The Bird 2 kids; Vantaa, Finland 42577 posts
5th Jul '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Squid Kid:</b>" That is why it is statistics. Some women just don't have a high enough level of hormone to abort"</blockquote>




.... obviously.

Squid Kid Due July 2; 1 child; 5 angel babies; Tennessee 27643 posts
status 5th Jul '13
Quoting Amelia Margaret:" The sample size is much too small to make a very informed judgment on it. That said, cortisol robs the ... [snip!] ... to cause a miscarriage. Again, the sample size is troubling. Not to mention average miscarriage rates are reported at 50-75%."

This is a hypothetical question.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
6th Jul '13
Quoting Squid Kid:" I've had four miscarriages, Three of them were early, one of them was a MMC and that one does not factor ... [snip!] ... stress hormone and miscarried purposefully, if it would be viewed as an abortion and was curious to the views on such a thing. "

Meh - not sure what I think of it. Nursing is supposed to suppress ovulation & if it doesn't it is supposed to make the uterus inhospitable for implantation - so in effect induce a miscarriage if fertilization occurs. It's pretty hard to prove though.



And who is to say that carrying an unhealthy pregnancy can't create increases in cortisol versus the other way around?



The fact is though women do have normal pregnancies under very high stress situations quite often - so the idea you could purposely induce it seems unlikely. You could certainly induce a miscarriage through things like extreme dehydration, but that would also endanger yourself significantly. By & large, I think things happen for multiple reasons, not just one. So while cortisol could play a role, I can't imagine it truly is "THE" reason.