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Are "teens" a social construct? Sneakmom 2 kids; Texas 4861 posts
6th Jul '13

D&D:
It has been shown through modern scientific study that teenagers are not capable of making realistic decisions because of later brain development. However, D&D: is the major concept of teenage irresponsibility due to this actual brain insufficiency, or because of our society's "free pass" on irresponsibility?



When push comes to shove, is the irresponsibility and recklessness that we see in our society based on the status of brain development and actual capability, or is it based on our modern society excusing these unhealthy and immature behaviors because of the "teens will be teens" concept that our society is both accepting of, and somehow judgmental toward?

user banned Vancouver, British Columbia 5643 posts
6th Jul '13

IMO it's because society lets them get away with it.

Mrs. Daniel 1 child; California 547 posts
6th Jul '13

It's a nurture and nature thing IMO. There's evidence for both sides of this argument.

Sneakmom 2 kids; Texas 4861 posts
6th Jul '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Nathaniel'sMom:</b>" IMO it's because society lets them get away with it."</blockquote>



That's been my opinion about it, as well. If we held our teens to a higher standard, they would rise to meet those expectations.



How can it be a legit brain development issue if we now have 25+ year olds acting like adolescents? What is the reason for that, not as a minority, but a social majority?

⚓Misty⚓ 4 kids; Keenesburg, Colorado 7276 posts
6th Jul '13

Teens aren't held accountaable for their actions. Plus they tend to be more spoiled & have a sense of "entitlement". I cannot tell you how many kids at my daughters school have brand new cars & the newest phones, yet most are ungratful

user banned TTC since Apr 2014; 2 kids; Middelfart, Denmark 15320 posts
6th Jul '13

The basis is brain development.



I think the rest is variables like responsibility expected of them in the school they attend, by the adults in their lives, the real life issues and problems they've come to face, etc.

Sneakmom 2 kids; Texas 4861 posts
6th Jul '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mrs. Daniel:</b>" It's a nurture and nature thing IMO. There's evidence for both sides of this argument."</blockquote>




I won't argue that there is scientific evidence that shows teens as being incapable of fully grasping the scope of their actions, but does that excuse ignoring basic morality and the concepts of right and wrong? Many middle aged adults live oblivious to the full scope of the consequences of their decisions, but does that make them not responsible for their impact?

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
6th Jul '13

The brain thing just means they are less aware of potential outcomes of actions....it isn't what motivates actions. I think most shit heads are shit heads because they truly weren't raised any better.

MotherFalcon+2 2 kids; Fólkvangr, Asgard, YD, Sweden 4578 posts
status 6th Jul '13

i read in nat geo mag that teens have the same judgement call ability, and can weigh the pros and cons the same as adults, its just that their brain weighs more heavily on the reward of a certain action or behaviour rather than the risk.

Gir! 2 kids; Ohio 7504 posts
6th Jul '13

I think society has more to do with it than nature does.

user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
6th Jul '13

I think teens can be just as mature and responsible as adults as well as able to have the same judgment. A lot of it, I believe, comes from how they're raised and the expectations (or lack thereof) society has for them. A lot of places around the world consider people to be adults upon hitting puberty.



I'm not sure about brain development as I've never looked into that.

Rob's Living Dead Girl Royersford, Pennsylvania 3347 posts
6th Jul '13
Quoting Sneakmom:" D&D: It has been shown through modern scientific study that teenagers are not capable of making realistic ... [snip!] ... behaviors because of the "teens will be teens" concept that our society is both accepting of, and somehow judgmental toward?"



I personally think that most of what is dubbed "incomplete brain development" often is irresponsibility, as well as reckless behavior often dismissed or excused.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
6th Jul '13
Quoting Pusherman _tko_:" I think teens can be just as mature and responsible as adults as well as able to have the same judgment. ... [snip!] ... world consider people to be adults upon hitting puberty. I'm not sure about brain development as I've never looked into that."

Not sure how you can have "the same judgement" if you lack life experience. While I think teens are capable of making better choices than many of them do make, part of good decision making is what you learn over time. It's not something you are born with or can even necessarily teach. You can teach critical thinking, you can give kids more opportunities to make decisions (and deal with consequences) as they are growing up, but I have yet to meet any teen that really has an "adult" sense of judgement call.

user banned 2 kids; Silly, Belgium 6539 posts
7th Jul '13

</b>" Not sure how you can have "the same judgement" if you lack life experience. While I think teens are capable ... [snip!] ... with consequences) as they are growing up, but I have yet to meet any teen that really has an "adult" sense of judgement call."</blockquote>




Like I said it depends on how they're raised and the society they're raised in. Life experience is subjective. I grew up overseas and "experienced" things that many adults here in the US will never experience in their lives. This, coupled with my parents methods of raising me and other things, caused me to mature faster than my peers. I took on a lot of responsibility at a younger age than most and it forced me to be an adult sooner. I'm not saying it's normal or common, particularly not in the west, but it's certainly not impossible.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting Pusherman _tko_:" </b>" Not sure how you can have "the same judgement" if you lack life experience. While I think ... [snip!] ... to be an adult sooner. I'm not saying it's normal or common, particularly not in the west, but it's certainly not impossible."

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I know plenty of "mature for their age" people. All that means to me is the average peer isn't being as well raised & is somehow being stiffled in their personal growth. There are also some pretty stunted adults too & I have no idea WTF is wrong with them. However, if you are talking about a person whose judgement *I* am willing to rely on, I'll take a level headed intelligent adult ANY day over a level headed stable teen. Life experience takes time & even if you have a life that teaches you more & challenges you more often, there is only so much growth anyone can do in x amount of years. If you add another 10 yrs of life exposure, the amount of new shit & new situations you find yourself in makes for a person that can generally remain calmer & make more solid choices under duress.



I am also old enough to have had a lot of teens expound to me how mature they are only for them to realize in 10-15 yrs that 10-15 yrs makes a HUGE difference still. It's not that they were wrong at 18, 19, 20, they were just still too young to realize how much life had yet to teach them.



I have been with Dh for over 20 yrs for example. What is anyone who has been in a relationship for 3 yrs going to teach me? Even if that person is 10 yrs older than me? Not much, I can promise you.