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The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting justanothamotha:" Yes, they set up random road blocks, speak to people & give breath checks as they deem warranted. They clearly never thought this kid was drunk."


wow here if you get stopped for any reason you get breath tested

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting Destiel:" wow here if you get stopped for any reason you get breath tested"

I haven't been stopped much in my life (never had a ticket), but I've never had a breath test.

Captain Obvious 2 kids; Havana, Cuba 25634 posts
7th Jul '13

Well I don't know what state this was in, but in our state, a DUI checkpoint is NOT a consensual encounter and therefore you must answer the questions asked of you and follow instructions. You don't get to bypass a DUI checkpoint here.

♥♬♡ 2 kids; Pennsylvania 10380 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting Captain Obvious:" Well I don't know what state this was in, but in our state, a DUI checkpoint is NOT a consensual encounter ... [snip!] ... therefore you must answer the questions asked of you and follow instructions. You don't get to bypass a DUI checkpoint here."


Same where I am from.

♥♬♡ 2 kids; Pennsylvania 10380 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting FroggysMommy:" We do not need to bow down and allow cops to shove their dicks up our a*****es just because they ask, ... [snip!] ... trying to HELP her by giving her the ID that would have stopped the mess in the first place... some people shouldn't be cops."


A lot of people should not be cops...guys around here should not be cops, they're def on a power trip...
this chick on my road speeds drunk through the stop sign all the time and NOT drunk as well..I finally reported her to the police, an officer went to talk to her and then he came to speak with me...He told me that she said my FIL went to her house and yelled and screamed at her (TOTALLY!! not true) and I told the cop, oh wow I am sure that did not happen...he looked right at me and said "yes it did" I was like really? :roll: then I told my FIL and he got really upset, he called down to the station and the cop was straight up telling him hes lying..total prick...same guy who let the guy go who drove around drunk smashing into stop signs then finally smashing into a bar and a train hitting his truck (which I have on film) beer cans falling out of his truck when he got out before it got it...BS



When I live in NY this black cop pulled me and 2 other white friends over...it was like 8am and we were dropping a friend off and my friend who was driving just got dressed and got in the car forgetting his license..so the cop takes himt o his car to search for it...in the mean time this cop is asking us all these crazy questions like being racist I shit you not...he gets a call on his phone and says "Ya I just pulled over these white kids who are saying im racist" and then he looks at my shirt and sees im wearing an icp shirt (this was like 8 years ago) he says oh you like icp huh? crazy white people :shock: we were like wtf? then he goes back to my friend in the cop car and tells him I told him that we were there to buy weed!! he looked at the cop and laughed and was like no she didn't knowing I would never say that..then they start telling him they cant find his license and he may be wanted for murder because his name is not showing up :? finally they find it he gets back in the car and the black cop STRAIGHT up tells us "I'm gonna be honest, I pulled you over because you over because you're white"
it was crazy, he was being a dick..we have been pulled over SO many times when I lived in ny almost every day and went through crazy shit...getting me n all my friends out the car patting us down and asking us if we're crack heads :? do I look like I smoke crack I said? like im f**king 16 no I don't smoke crack.



So I know, cops can be a wrong a lot of times...but this is a DUI check point and its different then a regular "im pulling you over"

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting Captain Obvious:" Well I don't know what state this was in, but in our state, a DUI checkpoint is NOT a consensual encounter ... [snip!] ... therefore you must answer the questions asked of you and follow instructions. You don't get to bypass a DUI checkpoint here."

And you know the actual law on this? Are you certain that is true or is that what you are lead to believe?



LOTS of people here in MI think they are legal, when in fact they are completely illegal in my state.
https://www.checkpointusa.org/Checkpoints/Sobriety/sobrietyCheckpoints.htm
Even *I* thought they were legal until a family member in law enforcement informed me otherwise.



There is a TON of misinformation handed out to the general public in order to make us more complacent & more cooperative. Law enforcement is under NO obligation to let you know if you are legally required to comply or if it is voluntary. They can tell you to do something & see how you respond. They do not have to ask, even if what they are saying isn't something they can legally make you do. it is on you to know whether or not you must legally comply with that order.



Medical personnel often rely on this tactic as well as most people think they have to do what a Dr or nurse tells them as well.

Captain Obvious 2 kids; Havana, Cuba 25634 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting ♫♥♬:" A lot of people should not be cops...guys around here should not be cops, they're def on a power trip... ... [snip!] ... know, cops can be a wrong a lot of times...but this is a DUI check point and its different then a regular "im pulling you over""


I can definitely agree with the fact that some people should not be police officers. The bad ones are so frustrating because it hurts the public's opinion of police and IMO makes my husband less safe. My husband is an amazing man and is great at his job. I worry about him so much because I feel the public opinion of police just goes down and down :( Sad really.

Captain Obvious 2 kids; Havana, Cuba 25634 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting justanothamotha:" And you know the actual law on this? Are you certain that is true or is that what you are lead to believe? ... [snip!] ... Medical personnel often rely on this tactic as well as most people think they have to do what a Dr or nurse tells them as well."


Yes I just asked my husband who is a police officer LOL

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting Captain Obvious:" Yes I just asked my husband who is a police officer LOL"

Sorry for your citizens then.



I think they are unconstitutional. Thank God so does my state supreme court. ;)



I hate drunk driving a LOT. I have lost 2 family members to a drunk driver. I do not think stopping people randomly to check them is the best way to address this problem. It is never okay to me to give up my personal freedoms for a promise of safety.



One of my all time favorite quotes is
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Ben Franklin



So you can see why I don't like checkpoints.

Captain Obvious 2 kids; Havana, Cuba 25634 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting justanothamotha:" Sorry for your citizens then. I think they are unconstitutional. Thank God so does my state supreme ... [snip!] ... a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Ben Franklin So you can see why I don't like checkpoints."


I am not sorry for the citizens here. At all. Don't drink and drive, it's pretty simple.



My MIL almost lost her life sitting at a red light after getting smashed into by a drunk driver going 60 mph.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting Captain Obvious:" I am not sorry for the citizens here. At all. Don't drink and drive, it's pretty simple. My MIL almost lost her life sitting at a red light after getting smashed into by a drunk driver going 60 mph."

You know a lot of crimes could be stopped if they began to randomly search people, right? Why stop with random checkpoints then? Why don't we care about ALL crimes as much as that one?

Captain Obvious 2 kids; Havana, Cuba 25634 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting justanothamotha:" You know a lot of crimes could be stopped if they began to randomly search people, right? Why stop with random checkpoints then? Why don't we care about ALL crimes as much as that one?"


Check this out. We live in a touristy area where people come to party. The DUI check point on Memorial Day weekend yielded 34 arrests. The checkpoints are announced on the radio and in the newspaper. 34 people were drunk enough to go through it anyway.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting Captain Obvious:" Check this out. We live in a touristy area where people come to party. The DUI check point on Memorial ... [snip!] ... arrests. The checkpoints are announced on the radio and in the newspaper. 34 people were drunk enough to go through it anyway."

OR they don't read your newspaper or listen to radio??? It's not proof they were "drunk" enough for anything other than not passing a breathalizer. There is a reason breathalyzers alone are not used in court & need a blood test backup - they are not always accurate & can result in false positives.



And again, if we went into the crowd on 4th of July & made everyone subject to searches of all bags & purses & backpacks, I am sure they could have made just as many arrests involving other things like drugs & weapons.

Captain Obvious 2 kids; Havana, Cuba 25634 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting justanothamotha:" OR they don't read your newspaper or listen to radio??? It's not proof they were "drunk" enough for anything ... [snip!] ... purses & backpacks, I am sure they could have made just as many arrests involving other things like drugs & weapons."


My bag gets searched when I go lots of places including Disney World, football games, the airport.....so sure bag checks to get into 4th of July fireworks don't seem unreasonable to me.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
7th Jul '13
Quoting Captain Obvious:" My bag gets searched when I go lots of places including Disney World, football games, the airport.....so sure bag checks to get into 4th of July fireworks don't seem unreasonable to me."

PRIVATE property is a different Thing. Don't like it? You can choose to skip 90% of the places that search bags. NOT the same as public transit roads. I don['t have to go to Disney or a football game...do I? I do have a rightful expectation of privacy in my own vehicle when I have done NOTHING suspicious on a public road or street.



What you listed is apples & oranges. At most of those places too - it is NOT law enforcement searching you anyway - it is the company's security people.