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~Julie Blue Eyes~ 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 6064 posts
status 8th Jul '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting mamaofacrawla:</b>" How do you know that the bible translated 100 times is what it really said. Unless you've read the old ... [snip!] ... to heart. And even though I do get most general messages out of the bible. I refuse to belive thats what Jesus actually said."</blockquote>




Yes. Okay. Because a God who created every single thing you both see and don't see, can't protect the integrity of one book, right?



Do you know the PAINSTAKING process that was used to copy the Bible in the first place? Did you also know that the Dead Sea Scrolls are 99% accurate to what the King James reads?



You refuse to believe it because you are either in denial, you don't like that part or you think Jesus is a liar.



I'm unsubbing. Pearls to swine. I should learn sooner or later.

Mama Van D 18 kids; Unity, Maine 2454 posts
8th Jul '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Mama Van D:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue ... [snip!] ... Two people decide that they just don't like each other and get divorced. Sin?"</blockquote> Yes."


So why is it okay that so many people get divorced, but not two people getting married when they truly love one another? Why not lead an attack on divorce?

mamaofacrawla 1 child; Kansas City, Kansas 1561 posts
8th Jul '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting mamaofacrawla:</b>" How do you know that the bible translated ... [snip!] ... you don't like that part or you think Jesus is a liar. I'm unsubbing. Pearls to swine. I should learn sooner or later."


Did you know king james was bi and raped his slaves?

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
8th Jul '13
Quoting mamaofacrawla:" Did you know king james was bi and raped his slaves?"


Just curious... what, in your opinion, does that have to do with the integrity of the Bible?



That version was only named after King James because he was ruler when it was translated. It seems to me, that if anything, that fact would assist in confirming the integrity of the Bible. If anything was going to be changed during translation, it would probably be the sections that object to the king's Biblically defiant behaviors. kwim?

mamaofacrawla 1 child; Kansas City, Kansas 1561 posts
8th Jul '13
Quoting Kacti:" Just curious... what, in your opinion, does that have to do with the integrity of the Bible? That version ... [snip!] ... be changed during translation, it would probably be the sections that object to the king's Biblically defiant behaviors. kwim?"


Im not going to belive anything you post unless you have solid prof. And not just "facts" that YOU know to be true. Just because I dont belive every word and how it is perceived today dose not mean I dont belive period.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
8th Jul '13
Quoting mamaofacrawla:" Im not going to belive anything you post unless you have solid prof. And not just "facts" that YOU know ... [snip!] ... YOU know to be true. Just because I dont belive every word and how it is perceived today dose not mean I dont belive period. "


Ok... I was just asking why YOU think the FACT that King James was bi and raped his slaves dissolves the Bible's integrity.



As far as the FACTS that I just gave you about why the King James version of the Bible was named after him... well you can look that up for yourself and find that it is FACT.



The latter part of my post was only my opinion. You can disregard that all you want, but it's still a valid point as far as I can see.



And I didn't suggest that you don't believe period... I was only asking why you think the Bible loses integrity based on who it's named after, and I gave you the reason why I think the fact that it was named after a sexually immoral monarch {fact}, who could've easily had those portions (which condemned his immorality) of the Bible removed {historically accurate assumption}... and yet they remain in place {fact}... actually preserves the Bible's integrity. {opinion}

mamaofacrawla 1 child; Kansas City, Kansas 1561 posts
8th Jul '13
Quoting Kacti:" Ok... I was just asking why YOU think the FACT that King James was bi and raped his slaves dissolves ... [snip!] ... accurate assumption}... and yet they remain in place {fact}... actually preserves the Bible's integrity. {opinion}"


I think it was added in there about how same sex shouldnt be together because they wanted to try to prevent it from happening. The bible has been used to scar people in the past. King James could not read therefor he didnt know it was add. From what i have read bibles that were made before that didnt mention said things into it until after King james.

Kaleighshaleigh 3 kids; USA 5487 posts
8th Jul '13

For Christians who are against it, then it could be because in Scripture God was known to destroy cities for their sin. EXAMPLE: There were 5 cities that were at the center of the Canaanite culture 4 were destroyed because of their sins, the 5th was not becAuse the corruption had not matured to its fullness. I think it's pretty obvious that moral and spiritual corruption is filling America, and many see it as one more example of it.

K and N TTC since Nov 2012; 2 kids; Denver City, Texas 1890 posts
8th Jul '13
Quoting mamaofacrawla:" I think it was added in there about how same sex shouldnt be together because they wanted to try to ... [snip!] ... it was add. From what i have read bibles that were made before that didnt mention said things into it until after King james."

Where did you learn that King James was not able to read? Because... he was English and Scottish nobility, he actually had some of the best tutors of the time. He was very well educated, and I believe it ludicrous to think that if he ruled to have the Bible's text translated, and wished to demolish the truth and divinity of the text, he could easily have done so... and why not start with excluding the very texts that go against his own behavior?



As far as having it added to the bible by the scholars who did the actual translation... I have a hard time believing this... because there is documentation that a Christian emperor in Rome on August 6, 390 declared that all homosexual men were to be burned at the stake because he was trying to avoid having the city destroyed by the "Wrath of God" like what happened at Sodom and Gommorah... if those texts had been added during King James rule, which was 1600 years later (give or take a few), then where did the emperor Theodosius get that idea... that homosexuality would induce God's wrath?

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
9th Jul '13
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" <blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" Here is what you are not getting: My ... [snip!] ... have to explain a straight couple groping each other to her. It's rude, it's uncalled for and it's unacceptable to me."



You don't hold my beliefs or personal convictions.

I know that, were you confused at some point that I did?



Some people are hard wired to murder, rape, harm, mutilate, have sex with children or their dog... Really? Who says. I've never once heard of this until today. I have heard of people with horrid childhoods that caused them to mentally becomes so ill or deranged they do it, but I've never heard a theory that anyone is hardwired to be cruel.

If homosexuality is a predisposition, so is everything. Exaggerate much? What a ridiculous sweeping generalization. And again you completely ignored me asking when YOU chose to be straight...what age? Details? What was involved in your choice to become attracted to men, etc?



Heck, alcoholism and drug addictions are predispositions too. Shall we just excuse their harmful behavior because "that's the way they are hard-wired"? Absolutely not. Again, apples & oranges & NOTHING to do with sexual orientation. YOU are the one calling homosexuality a "harmful behavior" that is NOT a sentiment shared by all. Mormons think drinking wine is harmful behavior. Perhaps we need to go back to prohibition to appease them.

My niece is exposed to "gay day" at her elementary school. Her required reading included, "Sally's two Moms". The book not only explains a homosexual relationship, it glorifies it, explaining that it doesn't matter who you love (sexually). Your niece attends a public school. Public schools are charge witeh safety & welfare of all children. If your niece were being taught at home about the way to treat kids who have 2 moms or 2 dads there would be NO gay day at school. Unfortunately, the school has to help take over teaching tolerance so those students with homosexual family members are not bullied at school because of it. Your niece's parents are welcome to homeschool (like I do) or enroll in a private school without a gay day.

That goes directly against what many, many people believe to be true. In fact, I believe it to be an outright lie. That is fine you believe that. It is fine that it goes against what many people believe. They are free to tell their children that when they come home or find an alternative place to educate their child. I don't believe in pledging allegiance to a flag (at all). It is my duty to teach my kids why I feel that way & all of that. I am not going to try to ban it from schools.

So yes, someone loses. I know right? Look at all the shit white people lost when blacks started demanding rights. It sucks. Someone always does loose - then again, what they loose might not have actually belonged to them in the first place, but who cares about that.



I know parents who are scrambling to undo what the world has corrupted them with. I don't feel that my child(ren) should have to share a bathroom with a child of the opposite sex just because they FEEL like a different gender. It's confusing! It is & even more confusing when parents make a big deal out of it. In many places we create confusion where none should exist. I've been to countries where men & women went in stalls side by side. I wasn't confused & no one peeked, but maybe I am just more intelligent? IDK - it seems like peeing & pooping need not confuse anyone.

There is an overwhelming cry from progressives for anyone with traditional values to be stifled, marginalized and even criminalized. It's happening every time I look around. Criminalized? In what way? I don't want to stifle anyone's values, at all. That si my point. Live your values to the nth degree! Live it up. Go home & read the bible 6 hrs a night, watch bible stories on TV with your family, take your kids to places like the creationist museum on vaca http://creationmuseum.org/whats-here/exhibits/
Do it up momma. I have NO desire to limit your life style or choices. I only want to prevent you from mistakenly believing others have an obligation to abide by your sense of "traditional" values & live to your comfort level.

The last straw, for me, was taking my son and niece to D-Land on "gay day", without even knowing it. It was the most uncomfortable social experience that I have ever had. Don't tell me that that is not cramming it down my throat. I shouldn't have to explain two men smacking on each other to my seven year old niece, just like I shouldn't have to explain a straight couple groping each other to her. It's rude, it's uncalled for and it's unacceptable to me. I don't assume there is anything I shouldn't have to explain to my kids & I don't find it all that hard to explain stuff. Frankly - the hardest convos I've had with my 6 yr old revolve around things I can't answer like WHY the people at teh soup kitchen we work at don't have anyone in their life to look after them or why we allow people to sleep on the streets, especially in winter here, or why there is famine, or no access to healthcare for some or why we, as a nation, drop bombs on other nations. My son IS raised to turn the other cheek, so trying to explain that some Christians believe bomb dropping is ever appropriate or in line with Jesus' love is not something I can seem to explain adequately to myself, let alone a 6 yr old. The gay thing being explained hardly raised any interested & never made him bat an eye - seeing video of Somali children that were sacks of bones was gut wrenching for him & MUCH harder for me to find the right words to explain why we ignore human suffering.

mamaofacrawla 1 child; Kansas City, Kansas 1561 posts
9th Jul '13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1TBgcctcco



This is why I belive in it.