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Extended bfing vs extended FFing hobbit* 3 kids; New Zealand 44783 posts
8th Jul '13

In another group I'm in we were discussing when our babies turning 1 who would still be ff or bfing, and who will be completely kicking their babies off the b**b/bottle at 12 months.



I think I'm quite an open minded person, I don't care what people do as long as their children are being fed, are warm and love.
But it got me thinking why it's ok to extend bfing until well past a year, but many people think a baby should be completely off bottles by 12 months, some as early as 6months.
My 2.5 year old still has a bottle before bedtime. Not my greatest parenting achievements and im not proud of it, but I suppose it's her comfort thing. Like many 2 and a half year olds will still have a bfeed before bed for comfort.



*i* personally don't feel like debating about it, maybe I will lol I dunno. I don't really have an opinion. I will always believe breast is best but formula isn't poison. All of mine were BFd to an extent but all ended up full time on formula by 6 months.



I think I've rambled enough. Basically just asking why does society bang on and in about extended bf but extended bottles are not ok? Is there actually a difference? A 2 year old doesn't *need* bottles but do they *need* to breastfeed, either?



Just looking to read other people's views on it
(And yes, there are people who thing it's 'gross' to BFd a toddler, so lets just forget about those people for now :D)

Boobo&bugs Due September 24; 1 child; Simpsonville, South Carolina 5609 posts
8th Jul '13

I think it's probably mostly a comfort thing. I've heard that bottles lead to tooth decay when babies go to bed with them so maybe that's why it gets bashed? Although I don't think a baby should be kicked off their comfort item just because its not a breast.

susanesque 2 kids; Georgia 8400 posts
8th Jul '13

Bottles are bad for teeth/oral development. The formula past a year is fine, though.



I gave DD formula in her sippy cup until she was about a year and a half because she was on the small side and we were trying to catch her up. I figure they don't make toddler formula for no reason, right?

Mama Van D 18 kids; Unity, Maine 2454 posts
8th Jul '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting kate & tilly:</b>" I think it's probably mostly a comfort thing. I've heard that bottles lead to tooth decay when babies ... [snip!] ... that's why it gets bashed? Although I don't think a baby should be kicked off their comfort item just because its not a breast."</blockquote>



They do. My dad used to give me a bottle every night in bed when I was a toddler and my two front teeth were rotted to shit. They were literally brown.



I did not smile until they both fell out.

Naturally Alternative 34 kids; 2 angel babies; Lafayette, Louisiana 5640 posts
8th Jul '13
Quoting susanesque:" Bottles are bad for teeth/oral development. The formula past a year is fine, though. I gave DD formula ... [snip!] ... she was on the small side and we were trying to catch her up. I figure they don't make toddler formula for no reason, right?"

This. I kicked DD off the bottles but she wasn't super needy about them... and she went to whole milk at a year but she was a chubber and didn't need the formula anymore.

Mama Lizzy :] 1 child; Texas 5575 posts
8th Jul '13

Bottles can leady to bad teeth/oral development like susanesque said....b**bs do the opposite.



I think once or twice a day is okay tho....Pacis would concern me more or bottle to bed....Bottle before bed is okay if you brush their teeth I would think

The Dandelion Rapist 18 kids; New Mexico 6885 posts
8th Jul '13

I am one of those "To each their own" I FF both of my babies and cut them off the day after their 1st birthdays. I cut them off mainly because it was my own preference. They were both where they needed to be weight wise. (Pediatrician approved), and had no problem eating and what not.



Though, I don't think any differently of mothers who don't cut them off following baby's first birthday. Whether it's FF or BF.

L.A.W.IsTheName 2 kids; Ohio 1749 posts
8th Jul '13

watching for now but i might but in later... i couldnt BF but DS is almost 2 and still occasionally gets formula (simply for my pieceof mind because he refuses to really eat anything)

lolajessup Due July 25; 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Beaverton, Michigan 44057 posts
8th Jul '13

I don't really care if someone keeps their kid on a bottle if its a bonding thing. If that's their special time to bond before bed who cares if its by breast or bottle. But if they're just throwing it to the kid in their crib to feed themselves that's not ok. There's toddler formula, or water, or milk they can have. I don't think they should be putting juice or other sweet things in there.

Mama Van D 18 kids; Unity, Maine 2454 posts
8th Jul '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting lolajessup:</b>" I don't really care if someone keeps their kid on a bottle if its a bonding thing. If that's their special ... [snip!] ... toddler formula, or water, or milk they can have. I don't think they should be putting juice or other sweet things in there."</blockquote>




Milk will rot teeth, too. It's what my dad gave me in a bottle that caused my tooth decay.

The Time Police 2 kids; Cold Lake, AB, Canada 33400 posts
9th Jul '13
Quoting Mama Lizzy :]:" Bottles can leady to bad teeth/oral development like susanesque said....b**bs do the opposite. I think ... [snip!] ... is okay tho....Pacis would concern me more or bottle to bed....Bottle before bed is okay if you brush their teeth I would think"


If it did the opposite, my daughter wouldn't need to have dental surgery on all of her top teeth at 17 months. I think you mean, it is harder for bacteria to break down breastmilk lactose.

justanothamotha Due January 20; 130 kids; Climax, Michigan 5120 posts
9th Jul '13

There are several reasons it is different.



#1 for most normally developing kids, formula is of no greater benefit than cow's milk past a year. That does not mean all bottles are formula of course, but many are. Breastmilk continues to change all throughout the time a child nurses & caters to the age of the child (changing quite a bit in content of fats/calories/antibodies/etc), so it maintains being much more beneficial than cow's milk for as long as you nurse.



#2 The act of breastfeeding causes the mouth to move in such a way as to actually contribute to the widening of the soft palette & improved teeth alignment overall by the way the maxilofacial muscles are exercised. This remains true past a year. In direct contrast, long term bottle use has been associated with causing teeth to become misaligned. Again, I HIGHLY doubt one bottle a day is going to cause this, I think it would more like kids who walk around with bottles or constantly sucking on hard sippy tops. Nursing also helps establish a proper swallow reflex, whereas bottles can cause a child to develop what is called a reverse tongue thrust & the older they are, the harder it is to reverse.



#3 Most people think that if baby is fed via bottle, baby is likely holding it's own bottle past a pretty early age. Most of the time that I have seen, this seems to be true, but isn't always. Bfing is a time on mom's lap & cuddling. So the continuation of nursing, if it is a comfort thing, has to do with cuddling/closeness, as much as suckling. A bottle held by a child alone is more akin to a self soothing behavior that has to be steered away from such as binkie usage or thumb sucking. While I am sure some mommas are rocking & cuddling during bottle time with 2 yr old, I have never personally seen that. I've either seen them put to bed with the bottle or setting cuddled up with a blankie or stuffed animal watching a video.



Personally I don't care what others do. I would say health & dental wise more than once a day si probably not a good idea. I'd say going to bed with anything other than water is probably not a good idea, etc. I weaned both my kids off nursing to sleep before 2, even though they continued to nurse a lot in the day. I wanted them to be able to go to bed without it & to be able to go to bed for others well. Lots of moms day wean & only keep up the nursing to sleep. LOL It's all about what is working well for you & your child, really. Unless you are asking ME to deal with, who am I to say?



My only other comment is I don't believe in "extended" breastfeeding. That implies a child is ready to wean at a year & most are not (regardless of breast or bottle) as the sucking urge is still pretty strong at that age...PLUS if you are weaning to put them on animal milk, then biologically it is evident they are not ready to be done with milk...so it is biologically logical to continue to give them human milk since they are human toddlers, not calves. So people can wean whenever THEY please, for sure, but I won't call what I do extended, it is natural weaning & falls more in line with how our biology works. A child will give it up on their own, without prodding, when they no longer need it.

lolajessup Due July 25; 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Beaverton, Michigan 44057 posts
9th Jul '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting justanothamotha:</b>" There are several reasons it is different. #1 for most normally developing kids, formula is of no greater ... [snip!] ... more in line with how our biology works. A child will give it up on their own, without prodding, when they no longer need it."</blockquote>




Vws! Although I wish bfing for 2.5 yrs would have spread dds palate out :(

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
9th Jul '13

I only stopped formula a 12 months because of the cost. :lol: If I was producing breastmilk, all kids shared in that. My oldest was particularly fond of freshly pumped milk and she was 4. She called it "candy milk" because it was sweet.

Mama Lizzy :] 1 child; Texas 5575 posts
9th Jul '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Kayla [:)]♥:</b>" If it did the opposite, my daughter wouldn't need to have dental surgery on all of her top teeth at 17 months. I think you mean, it is harder for bacteria to break down breastmilk lactose."</blockquote>



No actually breastfeeding promotes good oral/teeth development...



Not every kid who breastfeeds is going to have perfect teeth tho ...my SIL was breastfed until she was 2 and has really bad teeth alignment....I think genes come into play too.