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user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" ... [snip!] ... was a general one. Here, a recent family granted asylum was responsible for the bombing of the Boston marathon. Nice, huh?"


My belief? People who overstay student, tourist, working visas should be sent home and penalised, which they are when caught. Overstaying visas is a huge issue and its one of people acting dishonestly.
People who come illegally, via overcrowded, dangerous boats because they have no other option should be treated in a way appropriate to their situation. Australia is a massive country, we are not bursting at the seems with populace! Refugees could become skilled and positive members of our community.
It is tricky because immigration should be done legally, but we are not talking about general immigrants we are talking about refugees- those seeking refuge from terrible situations.



And re the Boston bombings, that was a horrific event, but to me the refugee status of the perpertrator is of no consequence.

The Great Mustachio Suck It, PO, Uzbekistan 9383 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" Sorry! My computer is dying a slow death here. I don't know, I know we can't open our boarders. But ... [snip!] ... I live in a country where children are in detention. But sending boats of desperate people to PNG is not, IMO, the answer."


I honestly think it's just a ploy until the next election, then it'll change.



Gee, Krudd or Abbott.. what a choice >.>

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23052 posts
22nd Jul '13

Our experience here in the US is that if you don't send the boat refugees back, more and more get in boats. The rewards in AU and US cause people to risk their lives for a chance. It's sad.

Onalee's Mummy Due August 26 (boy); 1 child; Newcastle, Australia 5355 posts
22nd Jul '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:</b>" Sorry! My computer is dying a slow death here. I don't know, I know we can't open our boarders. But ... [snip!] ... I live in a country where children are in detention. But sending boats of desperate people to PNG is not, IMO, the answer."</blockquote>



I do agree that they are coming here because of how terrible their lives are. However, it should not be our sole responsibility just because we are conveniently close to them. I think it's an issue that shoul be like at by the UN (sorry if that's the wrong organisation my brain is mush right now)

user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting TG3:" I hate the idea of kids in detention as well ... but what's the alternative? Taking them away from their parents and putting them in foster care ... I don't know which is worse."


I know. Community housing for families would be appropriate. But then that strikes up a whole new debate of how tax payers money is being spent,

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" My belief? People who overstay student, tourist, working visas should be sent home and penalised, which ... [snip!] ... And re the Boston bombings, that was a horrific event, but to me the refugee status of the perpertrator is of no consequence."


I agree people who outstay their visas are a massive drain on this country BUT we need to detain these people for a certain amount of time. It takes months to get a genuine visa up because of all the background, health etc checks ... we can't just let anyone flood in. The moment its made known that we've all but opened our borders to asylum seekers we're going to get mobbed.

user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting The Great Mustachio:" I honestly think it's just a ploy until the next election, then it'll change. Gee, Krudd or Abbott.. what a choice >.>"


I know. Who to chose? The lesser of two evils.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting The Great Mustachio:" I honestly think it's just a ploy until the next election, then it'll change. Gee, Krudd or Abbott.. what a choice >.>"


anything but Abbott I want the Catholic church to stay out of my uterus and out of my workplace.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23052 posts
22nd Jul '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Onalee's Mummy:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:</b>" Sorry! My computer is dying a slow ... [snip!] ... them. I think it's an issue that shoul be like at by the UN (sorry if that's the wrong organisation my brain is mush right now)"</blockquote>




The UN is a joke.
Don't look to them for anything but humanitarian aid. That should be their sole focus.

user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting Onalee's Mummy:" <blockquote><b>Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:</b>" Sorry! My computer is dying a slow ... [snip!] ... them. I think it's an issue that shoul be like at by the UN (sorry if that's the wrong organisation my brain is mush right now)"


I think the UN has a stance on it, but my brain is always mush!

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" I know. Community housing for families would be appropriate. But then that strikes up a whole new debate of how tax payers money is being spent,"


millions upon millions of dollars. And it wouldn't just be community housing we'd need to educate them, and give them full welfare benefits until they can stand on their own feet.

user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Onalee's Mummy:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting THE ... [snip!] ... The UN is a joke. Don't look to them for anything but humanitarian aid. That should be their sole focus."


That's what we meant. The UN should help with humanitarian aid in housing refugees in Australia, well thats what I think I meant.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" I think the UN has a stance on it, but my brain is always mush!"


I think the UN's stance is that they're keeping out of it

user banned 2 kids; Vientiane, Lao People's Democratic Republic 17415 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting TG3:" millions upon millions of dollars. And it wouldn't just be community housing we'd need to educate them, and give them full welfare benefits until they can stand on their own feet."



But like any immigrant the benefit to Australia as a whole outweighs the initial costs.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
22nd Jul '13
Quoting THE KATIE PRICE:" That's what we meant. The UN should help with humanitarian aid in housing refugees in Australia, well thats what I think I meant."


The UN is never going to help us financially to look after these people ... once they've crossed our borders they're our problem