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Jenny&Boopy 2 kids; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 7163 posts
24th Jul

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting Tegan;thee lovely lesbian:</b>" What do you think about the ... [snip!] ... are often forced to put the difficult kids in with the good kids. THAT isn't fair to anyone and drives parents to medicate."</blockquote>




But what do you do when none of the discipline works because the child has a legitimate problem that cannot be corrected with discipline? What do you do when despite everyone's best efforts they are struggling with school despite being a very smart child?

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22812 posts
24th Jul
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Jenny&Boopy 2 kids; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 7163 posts
24th Jul

<blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" A said it's WAY over Dxd and medicated. But, I DO believe there are real cases of ADHD. I'm not denying that."</blockquote>




Understandable. Sorry if I jumped the gun, there's just a lot of people who think it's never a real thing.

Ronnie RadKat 3 kids; Arizona 21133 posts
status 24th Jul
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Tegan;thee lovely lesbian:</b>" What do you think about the ... [snip!] ... are often forced to put the difficult kids in with the good kids. THAT isn't fair to anyone and drives parents to medicate."


I'd just like to say that I somewhat resent the opinion you've expressed. By comparing the "difficult" kids to the "good" kids it implies that the "difficult" ones are "bad". Implying that parents who medicate their children are looking for a quick fix and that all they really need is consistent "discipline" is a very common, yet uneducated opinion on ADHD. The symptoms are wholly misunderstand by many people, it is not a case of discipline, it is caused by a lack of impulse control that stems from the over or under production of several neurotransmitters in the brain. If it were a discipline issue the "quick fix" pill is not going to help the behavior.
For most parents the choice to treat the child is an agonizing one, it's not often a matter of convenience. This line of thinking makes it an even more difficult decision for parents who have children like mine. Not only does it imply that you are not a very good parent (your child is bad/ lacking discipline) but that you are unnecessarily medicating your child for your own convenience.

Jenny&Boopy 2 kids; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 7163 posts
24th Jul

<blockquote><b>Quoting AllAboardTheCrazyTrain!!!:</b>" I'd just like to say that I somewhat resent the opinion you've expressed. By comparing the "difficult" ... [snip!] ... parent (your child is bad/ lacking discipline) but that you are unnecessarily medicating your child for your own convenience. "</blockquote>




I have to agree. It wasn't a very good way to word things. It came off more I don't believe in it and you're a lazy parent than it's just over diagnosed but I know it's a real condition.

user banned 2 kids; Minnesota 7318 posts
24th Jul
Quoting Simply, Mom (TTC #3):" I have ADHD and have been diagnosed since 5 and am now 24. Mine was very severe and I was VERY hyoeractive. ... [snip!] ... around unsupervised while she picked up her Kindergartner she was pissed and said that they dont understand her kids have ODD"


ODD is most definitely a real disorder but it isn't an excuse to not discipline, lol. Maybe that mom just gave up. My kids DON'T have ODD and I still just give up some days.

speaktruth2powr 2 kids; Ontario 44921 posts
24th Jul
Quoting TheNuge:" A said it's WAY over Dxd and medicated. But, I DO believe there are real cases of ADHD. I'm not denying that."


I remember when my brother was going through the diagnosis process, it was so simple to have him thrown into that category. The teacher filled out a form, my mom filled out a form and the doctor filled out a form....done. He suddenly became the kid with ADHD, all other testing was stopped and medication was ordered. The school wasn't even going to let him back in without it.



My mom put up a fuss, brought him to a child psychologist and had him screened by special education specialists.....turns out he was dyslexic and had sensory issues. The dyslexia caused him to become frustrated with class work and give up easily and the sensory issues made it hard for him to sit still.



ADHD for many years was a "catch-all" diagnosis.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22812 posts
24th Jul
Quoting AllAboardTheCrazyTrain!!!:" I'd just like to say that I somewhat resent the opinion you've expressed. By comparing the "difficult" ... [snip!] ... parent (your child is bad/ lacking discipline) but that you are unnecessarily medicating your child for your own convenience. "


I agree. My wording didn't express my thoughts on it well. I don't think kids with SN, learning disabilities or ADHD are bad. Perhaps I should have said "easier" and "more challenging."
Also, I don't think all parents who medicate are lazy nor are all teachers who insist on it trying to skirt their responsibilities. There are just a large number who have a foot that fits the shoe.

~Julie Blue Eyes~ 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 5996 posts
24th Jul

It is over diagnosed AND over medicated.



I have looked into ADD and ADHD quite extensively, seeing as how HALF of school aged children, in our school district alone, are diagnosed with one, the other, or BOTH.



Without going into detail, I believe poor diet is a key factor. These kids lack NUTRITION. All of our food is over processed. It's got too many additives. It's got too many artificial ingredients, sulfites and the like. Everything is "enriched". Food manipulation plays a HUGE role in vitamin deficiencies and our kids are paying for it. On top of that, psych and mood altering drugs are eaten like friggen candy, by both kids and adults, alike.



Grrr. This topic pisses me off. No offense.

Simply, Mom 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Upland, 11670 posts
24th Jul

all I know is I for sure had/have it and I needed the meds and will get back on them after this next baby for the first time since 07 because I am going back to college and I need to focus.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22812 posts
24th Jul
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" It is over diagnosed AND over medicated. I have looked into ADD and ADHD quite extensively, seeing as ... [snip!] ... altering drugs are eaten like friggen candy, by both kids and adults, alike. Grrr. This topic pisses me off. No offense."


I agree BUT don't pick on enriching :-)
We'd be woefully deficient in many vitamins and minerals without enrichment.
I think it's the other junk and not the vits/mins :-)

Ronnie RadKat 3 kids; Arizona 21133 posts
status 24th Jul
Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:" It is over diagnosed AND over medicated. I have looked into ADD and ADHD quite extensively, seeing as ... [snip!] ... altering drugs are eaten like friggen candy, by both kids and adults, alike. Grrr. This topic pisses me off. No offense."


ADD and ADHD are one in the same, there used to be two diagnoses but now it is one. There are sub-types, combination would be both hyperactivity and inattention, predominately inattentive or predominately hyperactive.




I don't think it's necessarily a matter of nutrition, my household eats mostly non processed, home cooked, fresh foods, no white rice/ flour, no sugary cereals or colored cereals. When my son was diagnosed (and for the 5yrs proceeding the diagnosis) my kids went to a school that had very strict food guidelines, for example they not allow processed sugar to be in their lunches (which were packed by the parents), so they weren't getting it elsewhere.

Jenny&Boopy 2 kids; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 7163 posts
24th Jul

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~Julie Blue Eyes~:</b>" It is over diagnosed AND over medicated. I have looked into ADD and ADHD quite extensively, seeing as ... [snip!] ... altering drugs are eaten like friggen candy, by both kids and adults, alike. Grrr. This topic pisses me off. No offense."</blockquote>



Eh, my kid could and has eaten no sugary foods or drinks, no red dyes, nothing processed whatsoever. It doesn't change anything for him, not even a tiny bit. He has a legitimate medical condition. ADHD is also a largely hereditary disorder. If you have it, your child is likely to have it. If you have other issues such as bipolar as my ex does, your kids are more likely to have issues with one or both things. Do some kids react to diet change? Yes, they do. Those are the ones who do not truly have ADHD or it's very mild to begin with.

~Julie Blue Eyes~ 1 child; Nunya, CA, United States 5996 posts
24th Jul

The nutritional implications of enrichment vary.

Mama Rice 34 kids; North Las Vegas, Nevada 11980 posts
24th Jul
Quoting speaktruth2powr:" ADHD is completely over-diagnosed. I once had a class with 24 students in it, 13 of which were diagnosed ... [snip!] ... children. They are little hyper and don't want to sit for 30 minutes while someone talks at them, stick them on medication!"


A daycare teacher tried to tell us that my DD had ADHD and we needed to get her on something, she was 3 days shy of her 4th birthday. My DH and I ignored her and said we would take it seriously if when she got in school her kindergarten teacher thought it was an issue. Her kindergarten teacher said she was fine. It is over diagnosed imo.