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Underage kids & crimes. Gosloving 1 child; Washington 12831 posts
27th Jul '13

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Should kids who commit crimes, be prosecuted according to the crime or their age?



There is this girl I know. I've tried to talk to her, guide her, give her advice, tried to get her to go down a right path BUT, she won't listen so I gave up. Well, I just found out recently that she got in a fight with a girl a few months ago. On the fight, she pulled out a knife and stabbed the girl. The girl's lungs collapsed, and got brain damaged because she got beaten up pretty bad. The girl has to live with something in her stomach, I forgot the medical term for it. The thing has to be changed every six hours (I think). On top of that, she has to take medicine because she has trouble remembering stuff. She will remain that way for life.



(Sorry, if it doesn't make sense) I don't know the complete details of her condition.)



Well this girl got ONE year in Juvi because of her age (15). One damn year and the other girl lives like that her entire life. That's bullshit.



I feel so bad for the other girl's family. I feel like no justice was served to them. Makes me feel so sad and kind of angry.



Should I send the girl some flowers or anything?
Would that be weird?



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BlackVelvet 1 child; 1 angel baby; Aurora, Illinois 4368 posts
27th Jul '13

Really all depends on the severity of the crime.



In the instance you posted 1 year is not nearly enough time. She should of been charged as an adult. It could of been attempted manslaughter or aggravated assault or something along those lines.



Something like theft i could see being tried as a juvi and then if they committed the crime again as a adult then press adult charges.

K. P. Walsh Due August 5 (girl); Japan 1385 posts
27th Jul '13

That is so awful.
It's such a hard call.
15 is still a minor, however, by 15, arguably, most "normal" people have a sense of right and wrong. It was a choice. It was intentional. She did a very adult thing, so this may be a situation where she needs an adult punishment..
I think mental evals need to be conducted and someone needs to determine whether she knew what she was doing..
There are just so many different factors to consider.. Did she have a normal where she was taught right from wrong? Was she abused as a child? Those would all be mitigating factors for punishment.
It's just such a tough thing...



I think sending flowers to her & her family would be very nice. Tell them you're praying.
I can't wrap my mind around that.

Christan_89 2 kids; Grapevine, Texas 8043 posts
27th Jul '13

It depends on the crime. I feel like violent crimes like that require serious intervention. Like... SERIOUS. But I seriously couldn't imagine a 15 year old in prison.

Oncemore Suq Madiq, SH, Turkey 1587 posts
27th Jul '13

I always think it should depend on the nature of the crime.



This girl is receiving counseling so I'm sure she has a good sense of right and wrong, 1 year is not nearly enough.

K. P. Walsh Due August 5 (girl); Japan 1385 posts
27th Jul '13

I also think it sends the wrong message to this girl and troubled young people like her, out there. So you stab someone and almost kill her and alter her life and family's lives forever and what happens? One year in juvi? Can someone, anyone, really be "rehabilitated" in one year? Isn't that a risk to anyone she may piss off when she she's out. It sends the message to me that anything is acceptable with a slap on the wrist when you're young.

saageex3 1 child; New York 5786 posts
27th Jul '13

I think they should go to prison. The only reason I say this is because bringing the knife to a fight IMO is planning to use it. Now someone's entire life is fucked up and she only gets 1 year of her life taken away.



4 years ago my at that time boyfriend stabbed somebody during a fight. The guy died and he is now in jail for 20-25 years.

K. P. Walsh Due August 5 (girl); Japan 1385 posts
27th Jul '13
Quoting A&H's mommy {TKO}:" It depends on the crime. I feel like violent crimes like that require serious intervention. Like... SERIOUS. But I seriously couldn't imagine a 15 year old in prison. "


They don't usually do that. They usually go to juvi until they're an adult, then are transferred to prison.. They can stay in juvi until they're 21 in a lot of place, then they send them to the big house.

Roo & Sophie's mama 2 kids; Denton, Texas 9318 posts
27th Jul '13

Going to juvi for one year is a joke. I personally think she should have been charged for a longer period of time and spent two years in juvi until she hit 17 and then send to an adult jail for the rest of her sentence.

Christan_89 2 kids; Grapevine, Texas 8043 posts
27th Jul '13
Quoting K. P. Walsh:" They don't usually do that. They usually go to juvi until they're an adult, then are transferred to ... [snip!] ... are transferred to prison.. They can stay in juvi until they're 21 in a lot of place, then they send them to the big house. "


Well, that's what should have happened, then. That's insane that the girl got one year in Juvi.... like, they send kids who steal cars to Juvi for longer than that.

K. P. Walsh Due August 5 (girl); Japan 1385 posts
27th Jul '13
Quoting A&H's mommy {TKO}:" Well, that's what should have happened, then. That's insane that the girl got one year in Juvi.... like, they send kids who steal cars to Juvi for longer than that. "


I agree.
It's a joke.
But for all we know, they COULD have determined there were mitigating circumstances and she possessed some redeeming qualities or the willingness to be rehabilitated..
But still.. It's unjust.

r a b b i t ™ 1 child; Looahvull, KY, United States 27525 posts
27th Jul '13

That's complete bullshit sentence and definitely a failure on behalf of the justice system. When I was 13 I faced over 30 for arson. I'm actually surprised they only gave her a year.



In regards to how a juvenile should be tried, I think they should be tried and convicted for the crime. If they are sentenced to prison time, and that time will extend past their 18th birthday, then I think their condition should be evaluated at that time for possible release.



I think the American criminal justice system is a fucking joke. There is no uniformity and it seems most punishment is either way too harsh or way too easy. Back home in Florida, D.U.I. manslaughter carries a heavy penalty. DH knows someone who did 12.5 years. I know a woman sentenced to 15. Here in Kentucky, a woman was convicted of D.U.I manslaughter, the victim was a CHILD and she is currently serving a two year sentence. She might actually be out by now. The minimum she had to serve was 6 months before being eligible for shock probation.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
27th Jul '13

I think they should. My SO was beaten up in our front garden at 10pm on a Tuesday by a group of up to 20 13 - 16 year old. They king hit him, knocked him unconscious, kicked him multiple times in the head and face, and slashed his palms with broken glass. They did it solely because he was there and they were bored.



When we called the police they didn't even bother to go looking for them, even though we had been told by friends that they were hanging out in a park in the next suburb over. The police said there was no point because there was nothing they could do anyway. We even filed a police report and never heard anything back.



The only thing we did hear was one of the parents wanted to sue SO because her son broke his knuckles punching him.

Lucid Dreamer Florida 3829 posts
28th Jul '13
Quoting TG3:" I think they should. My SO was beaten up in our front garden at 10pm on a Tuesday by a group of up to ... [snip!] ... back. The only thing we did hear was one of the parents wanted to sue SO because her son broke his knuckles punching him. "

These kids literally committed aggravated assault on your SO and the cops did nothing about it? If this happened recently maybe try talking to a different detective. Especially if your SO could identify any of his attackers. I would also get an attorney and file suit against the attackers and their parents. The beating is bad enough but picking up a piece of broken glass and slashing with him with it is assault with deadly weapon. Sounds like that police department needs to get their priorities right or people there need to arm themselves since the police are no help.

Back to Noob Status Ohio 14048 posts
28th Jul '13

I don't think minors should be charged as adults. Why?



1. They are not given the liberties and freedoms that adults enjoy. So why should they be punished like adults if they are not treated like them?
2. The brain isn't even fully developed until mid to late twenties. I don't think someone should be punished for the rest of their lives for something they did as a child. S
3. If we are going to start charging fifteen year olds as adults, we need to lower the age of adulthood to 15.And how many people are going to be okay with that?



But one year isn't enough. I think ten years would have been better, or at least until she hit her 21st birthday.