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NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
Aug 1st '13
Quoting TheNuge:" Lots here for D &D! some more random comments/thoughts: - I am ALL FOR coming together as a community ... [snip!] ... are OBVIOUS ways of creating real growth but Obama and similar ignore those methods and pursue the path that Detroit has taken."


Why are single moms a root cause of our problems? Because they depend too heavily on social services? It sounds like that is laying blame on people instead of a broken system. Single moms depend on social services because cost of living is way too high, if we could somehow reduce the cost of living and the cost of receiving education for everyone I think it would reduce crime and dependancy, regardless of parental status.
Also I'm sure you know plenty of wealthy people. Even here in our small city there are a very large amount of wealthy neighbourhoods. I was speaking more about corporations like Walmart, Exxon, Apple, GM, GE, Reuters and typically people like Warren Buffet, the Koch's or those involved in trillion dollar hedge funds... typically no, they are not intentionally being villainous but their actions have a great impact on cost of living, as well as circumstances that we would consider horrific if they were happening here. (example... Apple and the atrocities that are happening in countries that are involved in mining the minerals they need to make our phones/computers ect.)
I just think that we have gotten out of control as a society in general with what we believe we need in order to live happy, healthy lives. We create useless jobs to buy useless things that end up in the trash. We mindlessly support corporations whose policies allow people to be killed or put at risk for the sake of the economy. Which is itself as archaic as religion and in need of a serious upgrade. But it's just too easy to use money to control people and keep people invested in working useless jobs instead of creating a system where quality products are more important than quantity and people are valued instead of just seen as another ss #.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Aug 1st '13
Quoting Mama❍:" Why are single moms a root cause of our problems? Because they depend too heavily on social services? ... [snip!] ... a system where quality products are more important than quantity and people are valued instead of just seen as another ss #. "


No. Single moms (as a group, of course. not each case) aren't dependent upon social services b/c the cost of living is too high. They are dependent upon social services because they made a series of bad choices. Of course, they may be in a culture of others making a series of bad choices, but the average 19 yr old single mom of 2 living in Philadelphia who was raised by her grandmother who was also a young single or parent is not a drain on services because the cost of living in Philly.



And, the cost of education for inner-city poor people is basically free here in the US.



The list of companies that you mention is a list of HUGE employers that stimulate the economy. sure stimulating the economy may increase the cost of living in some places. It's nice when people can afford more and the market responds. The cost of living is low where there aren't any good jobs. I'll take higher COL in an area where the jobs are better and the community has a plethora of choices for their own lifestyle.



We agree that our system is broken. I don't think it's beyond repair at this point but it COULD get beyond repair (like Detroit) if more people don't wake up and fight to get government control in check.

NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
Aug 1st '13
Quoting TheNuge:" No. Single moms (as a group, of course. not each case) aren't dependent upon social services b/c the ... [snip!] ... point but it COULD get beyond repair (like Detroit) if more people don't wake up and fight to get government control in check."


I'm just about to leave for work, but I'll leave you with this... opening one Walmart store can decrease a city's economic output by $20 million over a 20 year period. Also, it's estimated that a community can lose up to $14 million in lost wages over the same time period. Not really that stimulating, right?

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
Aug 1st '13
Quoting Mama❍:" I'm just about to leave for work, but I'll leave you with this... opening one Walmart store can decrease ... [snip!] ... that a community can lose up to $14 million in lost wages over the same time period. Not really that stimulating, right? "


I'm sure Walmart would show VERY different numbers. Cities/counties WANT Walmart.

KB25 Due January 8; Raleigh, North Carolina 157 posts
Aug 1st '13

If there weren't big companies like Walmart, cost of living would go up as much as it sucks to say it.
They are able to provide food, clothes, and household items for way cheap. Why isn't local as cheap? Because the government taxes small businesses so insanely it drives up the cost of things farmers can barely survive and have to charge $6 per lb for beef.
I agree we lack community nowadays but that has a lot to do with loss of morals and lack of motivation. When people get motivated to do what is right rather than what is easy, things will get better

KB25 Due January 8; Raleigh, North Carolina 157 posts
Aug 1st '13

Proof that people feel entitled and just want stuff handed to them?
The Wall Street protesters sat around on their apple computers bitching that they weren't given enough in life. Yeah, clearly they're needy