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Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7752 posts
31st Jul '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Mama❍:</b>" I'm Ok, I was on my lunch break, second day back at work! wtf. I just got clipped at a red light, the ... [snip!] ... a couple feet. My whole front facia was ripped off and is now hanging there. But we're ok, got a rental everything is covered. "</blockquote>




I have worked in safety/HR for trucking companies for almost eight years. You need to take that asshole down! Nothing gets my blood boiling faster than an irresponsible T/T driver.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
31st Jul '13
Quoting Mama❍:" http://behindthenumbers.ca/2012/06/06/how-to-fix-income-inequality/ I'll just copy paste about the universal ... [snip!] ... that Quebec has already seen with its provincial program.
NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
1st Aug '13
Quoting TheNuge:" I keep saying "whatever that means" about income inequality as the term makes me scratch my head. Are ... [snip!] ... to reduce the number of pregnancies and births from single women. This will require reversing our culture-rot trend. "


technically you're not supposed to get anywhere with me, though you are right, I despise the monetary system in general but I would consider myself a social anarchist. Typically though in these debates (and in life) you have to work with what you've got, I can't just pretend everything's been reset and now we get to choose for ourselves what we'd like to do together as a community. Wouldn't that be nice!
But I agree that smaller is better as far as a "governing" body, though I believe we are fully capable of governing ourselves to a certain extent. I also agree with most of what you've said (except the single moms part...) I just think that if you have publicly funded public services on a community level that they could work out well.
As for your first few questions, I don't think that currently what they mean is that they want income to be equal for everyone like what you would consider communist. I think it just means that people are starting to question why and how these top money makers and investors are using the economy itself and manipulating it in a way that serves them. Even other big conglomerates stifle growth from other local business and some even make it impossible for other people to invent different and potentially better ways of doing things.
Also I think what Obama is referring to is that he wants to extend the middle class, that he wants to see less people in poverty and more people working for a living and contributing in some way, making more than what they have to put out towards "living" expenses every month. I just don't think that is possible currently with a global market and using our natural resources as commodities.

KB25 Due January 8; Raleigh, North Carolina 157 posts
1st Aug '13

Lol what Obama wants is everyone to NEED the government for everything.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
1st Aug '13
Quoting Mama❍:" technically you're not supposed to get anywhere with me, though you are right, I despise the monetary ... [snip!] ... every month. I just don't think that is possible currently with a global market and using our natural resources as commodities."


Lots here for D &D! some more random comments/thoughts:
- I am ALL FOR coming together as a community and fixing our problems. When government steps in and becomes "the community," that is where things fall apart, cause a sense of entitlement, breed corruption, and stray too far from fixing the problems of the specific community. The government is usually not successful in fixing the problem and them causes all kinds of unintended consequences/problems that subsequently need their own fixes.
- when government backs off, it frees-up the local community to do more. When govt steps in, community organizations fade away.
- I don't know how you can disagree with the single-moms part. In the black community here, 73% of babies are born out of wedlock. Granted, some are born into loving, committed. long-term relationships without legal marriage, but most are not. This is a direct reason for many of our problems. unfortunately, nobody will talk about it as it's a "third-rail issue." I think it's our BIGGEST problem with education and crime and chronic dependency on the government.
- while there are some "top money makers" and conglomerates that "wear black hats," most aren't plotting and plundering anything damaging. I know MANY top money makers and they employ lots and lots of people and stimulate the economy in countless ways.
- think it is 100% possible to create a bigger and stronger middle class in the US and probably Canada in today's global climate. Everyone wants to see people climb out of poverty and into the middle class. This trend will not happen with Obamas policies. If the middle class grows its only b/c of having fewer rich. There are OBVIOUS ways of creating real growth but Obama and similar ignore those methods and pursue the path that Detroit has taken.

NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
1st Aug '13
Quoting TheNuge:" Lots here for D &D! some more random comments/thoughts: - I am ALL FOR coming together as a community ... [snip!] ... are OBVIOUS ways of creating real growth but Obama and similar ignore those methods and pursue the path that Detroit has taken."


Why are single moms a root cause of our problems? Because they depend too heavily on social services? It sounds like that is laying blame on people instead of a broken system. Single moms depend on social services because cost of living is way too high, if we could somehow reduce the cost of living and the cost of receiving education for everyone I think it would reduce crime and dependancy, regardless of parental status.
Also I'm sure you know plenty of wealthy people. Even here in our small city there are a very large amount of wealthy neighbourhoods. I was speaking more about corporations like Walmart, Exxon, Apple, GM, GE, Reuters and typically people like Warren Buffet, the Koch's or those involved in trillion dollar hedge funds... typically no, they are not intentionally being villainous but their actions have a great impact on cost of living, as well as circumstances that we would consider horrific if they were happening here. (example... Apple and the atrocities that are happening in countries that are involved in mining the minerals they need to make our phones/computers ect.)
I just think that we have gotten out of control as a society in general with what we believe we need in order to live happy, healthy lives. We create useless jobs to buy useless things that end up in the trash. We mindlessly support corporations whose policies allow people to be killed or put at risk for the sake of the economy. Which is itself as archaic as religion and in need of a serious upgrade. But it's just too easy to use money to control people and keep people invested in working useless jobs instead of creating a system where quality products are more important than quantity and people are valued instead of just seen as another ss #.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
1st Aug '13
Quoting Mama❍:" Why are single moms a root cause of our problems? Because they depend too heavily on social services? ... [snip!] ... a system where quality products are more important than quantity and people are valued instead of just seen as another ss #. "


No. Single moms (as a group, of course. not each case) aren't dependent upon social services b/c the cost of living is too high. They are dependent upon social services because they made a series of bad choices. Of course, they may be in a culture of others making a series of bad choices, but the average 19 yr old single mom of 2 living in Philadelphia who was raised by her grandmother who was also a young single or parent is not a drain on services because the cost of living in Philly.



And, the cost of education for inner-city poor people is basically free here in the US.



The list of companies that you mention is a list of HUGE employers that stimulate the economy. sure stimulating the economy may increase the cost of living in some places. It's nice when people can afford more and the market responds. The cost of living is low where there aren't any good jobs. I'll take higher COL in an area where the jobs are better and the community has a plethora of choices for their own lifestyle.



We agree that our system is broken. I don't think it's beyond repair at this point but it COULD get beyond repair (like Detroit) if more people don't wake up and fight to get government control in check.

NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
1st Aug '13
Quoting TheNuge:" No. Single moms (as a group, of course. not each case) aren't dependent upon social services b/c the ... [snip!] ... point but it COULD get beyond repair (like Detroit) if more people don't wake up and fight to get government control in check."


I'm just about to leave for work, but I'll leave you with this... opening one Walmart store can decrease a city's economic output by $20 million over a 20 year period. Also, it's estimated that a community can lose up to $14 million in lost wages over the same time period. Not really that stimulating, right?

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23152 posts
1st Aug '13
Quoting Mama❍:" I'm just about to leave for work, but I'll leave you with this... opening one Walmart store can decrease ... [snip!] ... that a community can lose up to $14 million in lost wages over the same time period. Not really that stimulating, right? "


I'm sure Walmart would show VERY different numbers. Cities/counties WANT Walmart.

KB25 Due January 8; Raleigh, North Carolina 157 posts
1st Aug '13

If there weren't big companies like Walmart, cost of living would go up as much as it sucks to say it.
They are able to provide food, clothes, and household items for way cheap. Why isn't local as cheap? Because the government taxes small businesses so insanely it drives up the cost of things farmers can barely survive and have to charge $6 per lb for beef.
I agree we lack community nowadays but that has a lot to do with loss of morals and lack of motivation. When people get motivated to do what is right rather than what is easy, things will get better

KB25 Due January 8; Raleigh, North Carolina 157 posts
1st Aug '13

Proof that people feel entitled and just want stuff handed to them?
The Wall Street protesters sat around on their apple computers bitching that they weren't given enough in life. Yeah, clearly they're needy