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New abortion regulations bad? Redneck Mamma North Carolina 8746 posts
2nd Aug '13

http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/Jacksonville-Doctor-Strongly-Opposes-New-Abortion-Regulations-218033831.html




A new abortion law signed by Governor Part McCrory Monday has some people, including a longtime Jacksonville doctor, outraged.
A Jacksonville doctor says he is furious the governor backed out of the campaign promise he made not to change abortion regulations. Dr. Takey Crist started Jacksonville Crist Clinic for Women in the early 1970's. He says this law is an attack on women's rights.
"Politicians have played a very big on the doctor in Philadelphia that was doing some very terrible illegal procedures. I'm not for that, but I think that should also point out, if a woman does not want to be pregnant, she doesn't care if there is a law or no law. She's going to find some way, some how to terminate that pregnancy," said Dr. Crist.
Crist is worried many abortion clinics in our state will have to shut down because they can't afford to make the necessary changes to comply with regulations which are similar to outpatient surgery centers. When we asked the governor why he chose to sign the bill, he said this bill had nothing to do with making it harder for women to get abortions.




This is not a pro-life pro-choice debate.



Do you agree with the Doctor who says new standards are bad or would you rather go somewhere that has equipment or staff there to handle an emergency? Basically all NC abortion clinics have to carry the same standards as an outpatient surgery center.

.Enigma. clusterfuck, LA, Sri Lanka 107102 posts
2nd Aug '13
Quoting redneck mamma:" http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/Jacksonville-Doctor-Strongly-Opposes-New-Abortion-Regulations-218033831.html ... [snip!] ... to handle an emergency? Basically all NC abortion clinics have to carry the same standards as an outpatient surgery center."


I think I would have to review the old standards vs the new standards to form an opinion.

Oya. 81 kids; Hollywood, Florida 25195 posts
2nd Aug '13

i think its good and bad. like the doctor said it can backfire because the new regulations are making it very hard for these clinics to comply, but then at the same time.... it would be safer for an abortion to be done in a facility that is properly and fully equipped to handle emergencys. but that means the price of an abortion is going to go up... =(

Redneck Mamma North Carolina 8746 posts
2nd Aug '13
Quoting .Colleen.:" I think I would have to review the old standards vs the new standards to form an opinion."


I'm not sure of old standards but the new ones being the same as an outpatient surgery center would make me feel a lot better going into a clinic for an abortion.

Amelia [a Mom] 1 child; 4 angel babies; Tallahassee, Florida 15342 posts
status 2nd Aug '13

I'm opposed to it because it increases the cost of abortion. These restrictions are implemented as backdoor ways to prevent abortions, not to protect women.

_______Nope_________ 23772 posts
2nd Aug '13

First, I haven't' read the specific regulations involved here.



However, most of the time this is an issue, it's because the "regulations" are not requirements. They are not things that the abortion clinic should ever really need. It's sort of like requiring a Dr's office to carry equipment for a medical emergency. Like needing all OB's to have a room for doing csections all stocked and ready. They regulations generally have little to do with protecting women, and everything to do with forcing clinics to shut down because of the unreasonable regulations, thus making it harder for them to find safe and legal access to abortions.

Redneck Mamma North Carolina 8746 posts
2nd Aug '13
Quoting Oya.:" i think its good and bad. like the doctor said it can backfire because the new regulations are making ... [snip!] ... that is properly and fully equipped to handle emergencys. but that means the price of an abortion is going to go up... =("


Well its like I commented on the actual news story, if they have to spend that much to upgrade their equipment it makes me wonder how safe their practice was to begin with. Plus with the botched abortions I have read/heard of I would definitely prefer it was a safe environment.

Amelia [a Mom] 1 child; 4 angel babies; Tallahassee, Florida 15342 posts
status 2nd Aug '13
Quoting she nan igans:" First, I haven't' read the specific regulations involved here. However, most of the time this is an ... [snip!] ... shut down because of the unreasonable regulations, thus making it harder for them to find safe and legal access to abortions. "


That's a very good analogy. If there is an emergency, it can be dealt with just as any other kind of clinic and would likely be close to a hospital.

*Mary Moon* 1 child; New York 3601 posts
2nd Aug '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting Amelia Margaret:</b>" I'm opposed to it because it increases the cost of abortion. These restrictions are implemented as backdoor ways to prevent abortions, not to protect women."</blockquote>



This!



I'd definitely have to see black and white text of medical emergencies in abortions, fatality rates and such and see EXACTLY why we would need them in an outpatient facility. Abortions have been legally performed for decades and no half baked surgical center idea was proposed until relatively recently when abortion has been under fire to such a degree, publically...ethically...AND sadly politically. :/

_______Nope_________ 23772 posts
2nd Aug '13

Not to mention, people are allowed to have homebirths with midwives, or to be delivered in birthing centers, which likely have less than these new regulations probably require. Why is it okay to have a birthing center or homebirth, with the obvious risks, not have these things but an abortion clinic should be forced to?



They are focusing on abortion clinics in order to shut them down, not to keep women safe.



FYI, I am NOT suggesting these things should be in place for birthing centers, simply showing that if an abortion clinic is required these things, why not these other places that deal with similar risks.

Oya. 81 kids; Hollywood, Florida 25195 posts
2nd Aug '13
Quoting redneck mamma:" Well its like I commented on the actual news story, if they have to spend that much to upgrade their ... [snip!] ... was to begin with. Plus with the botched abortions I have read/heard of I would definitely prefer it was a safe environment. "


see the thing is, it depends on what they want them to upgrade thier equipment too. do they want to upgrade it to something that they would probably never need? (like the equipment to do a csection) , or is it something that they might need on hand but its not common that they would need it (like... medication for someone who has an allergic reaction to the medical abortion pills).



in the first instance, that is something that is expensive and unnessasry. if a woman is far enough along to have a csection they would see that on the ultrasound before they started the process and then the woman would not actually be allowed to do the abortion. so making them spends so much to have it on hand is unfair.



in the second instance, thats a possiblity that while uncommon is definately something that you cannot forsee

Redneck Mamma North Carolina 8746 posts
2nd Aug '13
Quoting she nan igans:" Not to mention, people are allowed to have homebirths with midwives, or to be delivered in birthing centers, ... [snip!] ... simply showing that if an abortion clinic is required these things, why not these other places that deal with similar risks. "


Good point.

Redneck Mamma North Carolina 8746 posts
2nd Aug '13
Quoting Oya.:" see the thing is, it depends on what they want them to upgrade thier equipment too. do they want to ... [snip!] ... hand is unfair. in the second instance, thats a possiblity that while uncommon is definately something that you cannot forsee"


I will do some digging and see what exactly needs to be changed. If it is something that is completely useless I can see a lot of peoples views. If its something that would be a good idea to have then I will have to go with my original opinion.

_______Nope_________ 23772 posts
2nd Aug '13
Quoting redneck mamma:" I will do some digging and see what exactly needs to be changed. If it is something that is completely ... [snip!] ... a lot of peoples views. If its something that would be a good idea to have then I will have to go with my original opinion. "


Wel,l if they want them to have what is needed in an outpatient surgery center, that's a lot. It's everything you'd need to have an actually outpatient surgery.

Redneck Mamma North Carolina 8746 posts
2nd Aug '13
Quoting she nan igans:" Wel,l if they want them to have what is needed in an outpatient surgery center, that's a lot. It's everything you'd need to have an actually outpatient surgery. "


I'm digging now. Only thing I can find is the vague details in the news so far. That and three abortion clinics in Asheville had their license suspended by the health department. One of them had a messed up hose on an anesthesia machine and fixed it with tape.