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user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
16th Aug
Quoting FroggysMommy:" Make abortion legal and safe for here and all of eternity. BAM. Make gay marriage legal for here and ... [snip!] ... it a f**king law that teachers are paid fairly and schools are funded fairly and oh, yeah, DO AWAY WITH STANDARDIZED TESTING!"



:!:



And make voucher schools illegal. Taxpayer money should not fund private schools.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22813 posts
16th Aug
Quoting Nocturnal:" :!: And make voucher schools illegal. Taxpayer money should not fund private schools."


Yes! Taxpayer money should continue to heavily fund chronically failing schools that graduate few people and those that do struggle with literacy! Don't give "tickets out" to the motivated!

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
16th Aug
Quoting TheNuge:" Yes! Taxpayer money should continue to heavily fund chronically failing schools that graduate few people and those that do struggle with literacy! Don't give "tickets out" to the motivated!"

That is not at all what is occurring in my state.

FroggysMommy 1 child; Golden, Colorado 26123 posts
16th Aug
Quoting TheNuge:" Yes! Taxpayer money should continue to heavily fund chronically failing schools that graduate few people and those that do struggle with literacy! Don't give "tickets out" to the motivated!"


Yeah, this. I don't agree with being forced to stay in a f**king failing ass school. It sucks if you are already having to live in a shitty area and dont have the means to move. If you want your child to get ahead and want them to go to a different school that is actually passing and can give them a chance to succeed in life... good for that parent. Good for that child. I know I would do it. I wouldnt force my child to stay in a shitty damn school and just shrug my shoulders and say "Well, oh well, sorry but we live here and I am doing crappy in life and can't really afford to get you in a better area."



It does suck that schools are getting less funding but I will tell ya, it's not vouchers that are killing schools and the funding problems. It is so much more than that and MAYBE vouchers are the bottom 2% of the problem.

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
16th Aug
Quoting FroggysMommy:" Yeah, this. I don't agree with being forced to stay in a f**king failing ass school. It sucks if you ... [snip!] ... killing schools and the funding problems. It is so much more than that and MAYBE vouchers are the bottom 2% of the problem. "


That's not the issue here.



The issue is that the state is paying for kids already in private schools.



And we have open enrollment. A student is not forced into a bad district if they don't want to be in it. I live in a bad district. I send my girls to a better rated one.

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
16th Aug

I'd also like to point out that these selected schools are not necessarily in underfunded and poorly achieving districts either.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22813 posts
17th Aug

<blockquote><b>Quoting Nocturnal:</b>" That is not at all what is occurring in my state."</blockquote>



I'm curious, but I don't think most kids is shitty districts have a choice. Where I gre up in suburb and NY that wasn't an option. Here in PA it's not an option. Our public school is determined by your address.
We have atrocious schools with kids that cant get out of them. They desperately need a voucher as a ticket out. Desperately! The lottery system doesn't allow the motivated parents to get their kids into non-failed schools.

FroggysMommy 1 child; Golden, Colorado 26123 posts
17th Aug
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Nocturnal:</b>" That is not at all what is occurring in my state."</blockquote> ... [snip!] ... a ticket out. Desperately! The lottery system doesn't allow the motivated parents to get their kids into non-failed schools."


This. And even though you can take your child to another district, it depends on availability and that may not be allowed. If they don't have room they don't have room, and if the parents dont have the money to send their kid to a school across the city... well they are stuck with the shit school. It SUCKS. They may need to add another teacher for my daughters grade but they are basically bending the rules for capacity. They are at capacity and at 2 teachers for the grades and will probably stay there because of state limits. It would greatly help to have one more teacher but its like... every grade needs an extra teacher but especially 3 grades. If you think of how many schools are in each state and think of just one extra teacher in each grade in each school.... its a LOT of money that schools dont have but we SHOULD have. Its sickening. Really sickening. It only helps our kids, but ya know... we pay for sports stadiums and shit and our schools... well lets put 40 kids to a class and think kids will learn and when they act out call it ADfuckingHD. Right. Mmmmhmmm.




ARGH!

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
17th Aug

I never had a problem with the voucher system in Milwaukee. I don't have a problem with it in Madison either. I don't like it being statewide.




The problem I have with it is:
1- They're paying for kids who already attend the private school. Most of the covered kids aren't even switching from public to private. And if the DPI is paying, voucher accepting schools should have to abide by the DPI standards and rules.



2- This is statewide. Wisconsin has fairly decent schools, even with our governor mucking some things up. It's the bigger cities that tend to have the problems here. Milwaukee recently removed it's residency rule which should bring in more teachers now that they don't have to live in Milwaukee to work.



3- Most districts aren't that far apart. It's about 10-15 miles to the next school district in 3 different directions for me. Open enrollment isn't often used for some unknown reason. Last year, there were 6 out of district children and 2 of them were mine. It's not that hard and you can choose up to 3 districts.



4- They've decreased funding to public schools in order to fund this. They froze aid to schools for the next few years and plan on increasing the number of students and schools in the voucher system thus increasing the amount paid out to private schools.



Not to mention, they studied the voucher system here a few years ago and found that kids did no better in the voucher system than they did in the public schools. A private school isn't going to change or void what does or doesn't happen at home. A student's success is not just tied into the teachers or school.



I don't agree with decreasing funding in an already failing school or school district. I don't agree with the state funding private schools; religious or non-religious.

user banned Lesbos, Greece 95211 posts
17th Aug

Oh and schools here are by district, mostly.



We have 3 K-5 elementary schools and 1 K-2 elementary school in the district I currently reside in. My oldest attended the one that's basically in our backyard but both of us weren't happy with it so we applied for open enrollment. All the elementary schools within the district operate the same.



I had issues with the curriculum and class size. My oldest was bored and didn't receive the attention she was used to. She went from a kindergarten class of 25 kids with 2 teachers to a class of almost 30 with one teacher. When we switched her back, her first grade class was 13 students. We can expect her second grade class to be about the same.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 22813 posts
18th Aug

I'm short on time this morning or I'd link data from the disastrous public school systems in Philly, detroit and Chicago. It's so sad for the kids and hurts us as a nation. For me, THAT issue trumps other trendy issues like gay marriage.
I lived in NYC for many years and routinely "had to deal" with the products of NY public schools. It's just not fair that kids of stupid parents as well as kids of motivated but struggling parents have kids subjected to these public systems.



You are both good, conscientious parents who advocate for your kids and schools. YOU should have options. Kids with dumbasses for parents should not be given the option of having a bad school. But, nobody will address the core problems so it will never change. But, the people with money will take on issues like gay marriage. Why isn't Hollywood focused on failed schools? It's too embarrassing.