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Jeeper 1 child; Orlando, Florida 2287 posts
27th Aug

I read an article not to long ago that a country is actually making it so that formula is only available by prescription. Meaning every woman has to give breastfeeding a good go before they resort to FF. Although I think this is extreme I do believe we need to get away from the stigma that breastfeeding is gross. Formula companies saying their formula is "closer to breast milk" is not helping achieve this. I have actually had people make negative comments to me saying I am starving DD because I breastfeed because apparently if you don't fill up a bottle with formula there is no proof your kid is eating. I also had someone tell me that DD gets sick a lot because I breastfeed. If this says anything breastfed babies will not take formula if they have been exclusively breastfed for a few months unless you trick them into it and formula is thicker then breastmilk and spoils within an hour of being made where breast milk can be left at room temperature for 5 hours.

Just Ames 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Montego Bay, Jamaica 114793 posts
27th Aug
Quoting The Bear and The Bird:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Just Ames:</b>" Well, sure. It's a business and therefore will ... [snip!] ... so that number might be just from my ass. I think within 20 years formula will come pretty damn close to a perfect alternative."

I agree :)

The Bear and The Bird 2 kids; Vantaa, Finland 42577 posts
27th Aug

<blockquote><b>Quoting ~The Lunar Flower~:</b>" I fully agree. In my area, quite a few mamas use local donor milk insteads of formula. If one mama is ... [snip!] ... 6 ounces each & that totaled up to a good 4-6 month supply for that baby. The child could not tolerate any formulas though"</blockquote>



That's really awesome. I was hoping to donate this time around because I was expecting to have an oversupply again. But this time pumping is such a b***h and I get maybe 2oz after 30 minutes :(

~The Lunar Flower~ Due January 13; 1 child; Alabama 6738 posts
27th Aug
Quoting Jeeper:" I read an article not to long ago that a country is actually making it so that formula is only available ... [snip!] ... thicker then breastmilk and spoils within an hour of being made where breast milk can be left at room temperature for 5 hours. "

That's nuts! I have personally met many women who absolutely could not breastfeed due to medical issues & just regular issues like drying up after awhile. i hope that never gets passed in America :?

Just Ames 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Montego Bay, Jamaica 114793 posts
27th Aug
Quoting Jeeper:" I read an article not to long ago that a country is actually making it so that formula is only available ... [snip!] ... thicker then breastmilk and spoils within an hour of being made where breast milk can be left at room temperature for 5 hours. "

Well the same struggles you have are not any worse than the crap formula fed mothers get. It can go both ways. Also, your thinking really isn't fair to the children who would likely starve without formula being readily available. I mean, programs like WIC save a lot of babies lives. Try and look at the bigger picture here. Not every woman is a "caring" mother.

The Bear and The Bird 2 kids; Vantaa, Finland 42577 posts
27th Aug

<blockquote><b>Quoting Jeeper:</b>" I read an article not to long ago that a country is actually making it so that formula is only available ... [snip!] ... thicker then breastmilk and spoils within an hour of being made where breast milk can be left at room temperature for 5 hours. "</blockquote>




I think that's Australia.



I don't think it should be script only, but I do think we need to stop pushing it on mothers. I wasn't offered a lactation consultant with my first and had several nurses pushing formula on me even though I was trying to breastfeed. I knew nothing and didn't really know where to go to learn what to do so I have up.



If I'd had BG and the same nurse staff with my first that I had with my youngest things would have been much different.

Jeeper 1 child; Orlando, Florida 2287 posts
27th Aug
Quoting The Bear and The Bird:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Jeeper:</b>" I read an article not to long ago that a country ... [snip!] ... up. If I'd had BG and the same nurse staff with my first that I had with my youngest things would have been much different."

I had a nurse tell me that if I didn't give DD formula that she was going to die. I told her to shove it where the sun doesn't shine and go preach her backwards thinking to someone else. I did state that I think that is going to extremes but I think it shouldn't be given out to newborns like candy on Halloween. When they went to do my emergency c-section the nurse asked me to sign a permission slip saying they could give her formula if her blood sugar low. The nurse copped an attitude with me when I said no if her blood sugar is low you can bring her to me and I can nurse her. Guess what she is perfectly healthy and she has never had formula.

Jerk Horse Here, CA, United States 65113 posts
27th Aug

<blockquote><b>Quoting Just Ames:</b>" Anyone have any experience with this? I guess what I am needing to know is if this is even "closer" to ... [snip!] ... Oh, and just remember if you choose to be a wise ass or a dick I'm a much bigger one :wink: "</blockquote>




I have no clue. ... but LMFAO. I f**king love you

The Bear and The Bird 2 kids; Vantaa, Finland 42577 posts
27th Aug

<blockquote><b>Quoting Jeeper:</b>" I had a nurse tell me that if I didn't give DD formula that she was going to die. I told her to shove ... [snip!] ... sugar is low you can bring her to me and I can nurse her. Guess what she is perfectly healthy and she has never had formula."</blockquote>




DD1s pediatrician wasn't available to see DD2 when she was 2 days old and developed bad jaundice. The doctor they sent told me if I didn't supplement with formula the extra bilirubin would cause brain damage.



I just woke her up every hour to nurse and 3 days later her levels were manageable and by the time see was 2 weeks old she was normal. And now I make a point to request anyone but that doctor when we make appointments.

Jeeper 1 child; Orlando, Florida 2287 posts
27th Aug
Quoting The Bear and The Bird:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Jeeper:</b>" I had a nurse tell me that if I didn't give DD ... [snip!] ... time see was 2 weeks old she was normal. And now I make a point to request anyone but that doctor when we make appointments."

Next time I will not be delivering in a hospital or using the hospital pediatrician. Though the hospital pediatrician was really happy about me nursing it was the nurses that had the problem with it. It makes me think gee what did we do before formula was created.

Just Ames 2 kids; 1 angel baby; Montego Bay, Jamaica 114793 posts
28th Aug
Quoting Dum-Dums:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Just Ames:</b>" Anyone have any experience with this? I guess ... [snip!] ... be a wise ass or a dick I'm a much bigger one :wink: "</blockquote> I have no clue. ... but LMFAO. I f**king love you"

:D
Just wanted to throw that little piece of fact out there :lol:

EpicThunderCat! 1 child; Oregon 9400 posts
28th Aug

I just read online it has more probiotics to help with digestion so not really. When I read that two things came to mind...



1) nothing is close to breastmilk...not really because they don't have any immune system boosters or digestive enzymes regardless of probiotics



2) Why aren't they putting a ton of probiotics into regular formula to help those babies digest food better!... Why is that only for the transition phase when babies should be getting a ton of those to keep their gut flora balanced especially when they are only getting formula because it is really acidic compared to milk which is PH balanced