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User 0123456789 Talofofo, GU, Guam 15032 posts
7th Sep '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting αnt:</b>" I don't think it's a distraction, since the US ... [snip!] ... had the same reasons to strike months ago as he does today. Instead, he has delayed and put it to a lengthy, contentious vote."


There is definitely some politicking going on because I think by virtue of him putting a vote before Congress, he's calling their bluff. More or less saying, you've criticized me for not going through you in the past, fine, here you go. I think he's also pushing back against Russia and is probably pissed that they're playing this crisis as if they're bigger than they really are.

Lilia's Mama (TTC#2) TTC since Aug 2013; 1 child; Florida 3592 posts
7th Sep '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Lilia's Mama (TTC#2):</b>" I think he wants to be very careful. ... [snip!] ... face." People should die for our president to save face. And, we shouldn't empower other bad guys in order to save face."


I don't see it that way. I dont think it would be about "saving face." Not when kids are attacked by chemical warfare. However, im not even sure it would be striking against Assad. New reports are showing that rebels are the ones suspected of using these chemical agents.

User 0123456789 Talofofo, GU, Guam 15032 posts
7th Sep '13
Quoting TheNuge:" <blockquote><b>Quoting Lilia's Mama (TTC#2):</b>" I think he wants to be very careful. ... [snip!] ... face." People should die for our president to save face. And, we shouldn't empower other bad guys in order to save face."


My concern is that, if we don't strike him after weeks of this "you've been a naughty boy and we're going to punish you" rhetoric, it could empower the bad guys, as well.



It's a shitty situation, but what if Israel decides to strike Syria in our stead? I think that is the worst possible outcome.

Lilia's Mama (TTC#2) TTC since Aug 2013; 1 child; Florida 3592 posts
7th Sep '13
Quoting αnt:" My concern is that, if we don't strike him after weeks of this "you've been a naughty boy and we're ... [snip!] ... It's a shitty situation, but what if Israel decides to strike Syria in our stead? I think that is the worst possible outcome."


I'm starting to think any outcome will be awful. Us getting involved is not a good thing, us not doing anything about it enables it, and others striking in our name is terrible too. I think the world will reek the punishment of whoever decided that chemical warfare was the way to go.

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23132 posts
7th Sep '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting αnt:</b>" My concern is that, if we don't strike him after weeks of this "you've been a naughty boy and we're ... [snip!] ... It's a shitty situation, but what if Israel decides to strike Syria in our stead? I think that is the worst possible outcome."</blockquote>




The bad guys have been emboldened by this president. They view him as weak, and of course means that they view our country as weakened. They mock him. This is just one more example and a very bold example.
I could never go along with striking because he was warned when we have no idea who we are empowering OR a plan for what to do if he just does it again on a more grand scale.
Had we attacked mo ths ago, I'd feel differently.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
7th Sep '13

Are you saying Obama set off those chemical weapons to make people stop thinking bout the budget?

TheNuge 1 child; Pennsylvania 23132 posts
7th Sep '13
Quoting TG3:" Are you saying Obama set off those chemical weapons to make people stop thinking bout the budget?"


oh NO. Not at all.
I think he has made more of the issue to cloud the disaster that we currently have as well as the disaters that are looming.

The Master 2 kids; Perth, Australia 19989 posts
7th Sep '13
Quoting TheNuge:" oh NO. Not at all. I think he has made more of the issue to cloud the disaster that we currently have as well as the disaters that are looming."


Eh my control has just elected in a homophobic sexist who thinks women shouldn't be in the work place ... especially not high paying jobs. So any distraction right now would be nice.

Tick-Tock Due September 28; 2 kids; Dahlonega, GA, United States 149 posts
status 7th Sep '13

Honestly, I've wondered. Syria is a very real issue, but if Obama wanted to make a decision and have the support of Congress, why didn't he come home and recall them all to get a vote in? As it is now, they've been, well, exposed to all the negative responses from their constituents/media/whomever, and I think getting a vote to swing in his favor would be difficult.



I get wanting to be careful, and go in with support, but I don't believe it was handled the right way if that's what he wanted.



I dated an international studies major once who told me that the government relied on the media to hyper-focus on one big story while there were other things happening. So... Is this a distraction from the economy? From Egypt or Libya or Afghanistan? Or is this really the big issue, and because of the way media has developed thanks to the Internet, we are really getting to see what's going on (pictures, videos, testimony). It's interesting to think about.

Dovahkiin 1 child; 1 angel baby; Kentucky 16776 posts
7th Sep '13

Not really, but I do think there is some seriously shady business going on (more shady than usual, I should say). I think something is going on with Syria that we are being left in the dark about. I think it's possible that we've been threatened and/or a plan was revealed to release chemical weapons on US soil, and that's why Obama is so gung-ho on leading a military strike. I'm terrified of a war with Syria because Putin said he would help them... and if we're going to go to war with Russia we might as well all retreat to bunkers now.

user banned 4 kids; Mueang Phuket, Thailand 30487 posts
7th Sep '13

<blockquote><b>Quoting loving my three:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting ☮ Phuket:</b>" <blockquote><b>Quoting TheNuge:</b>" ... [snip!] ... enjoy getting government money instead of working"</blockquote> Since when does the government just hand out money?"</blockquote>



They hand it out all the time, in Medicaid, in schools, to other countries. But I'm talking about unemployment and welfare...

Bangtail 50 kids; Katy, Texas 7752 posts
8th Sep '13

I definitely think it is. Every time there are serious issues with this administration, they refocus the attention to some huge issue. Everyone is calling for a much more in-depth probe into Benghazi, noticing obamacare isn't such a great deal, seeing blatant corruption in several government agencies, so Obama had to give people some other place to focus on. They'll keep doing it as long as people keep falling for it.

NopeNotGonnaDOIt 6 kids; Cuba 3000 posts
9th Sep '13

Hmm I thought all this crap with Miley was a distraction from Syria. But I guess you could look at it that way as well, that getting involved is taking the focus away from a possible collapse.