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LindzyF 21 kids; Iowa 1168 posts
9th Feb '11
Quoting Andie.:" I'm not too much of a fan of the Recaro convertibles (I have one of their boosters for my 8 year old ... [snip!] ... 65lbs FF that are the same price or even less. They also will get the kids a lot closer to the limit than the Recaros will."


got to agree, love their boosters but not such a fan of the harnessed seats for the reasons andie mentioned :)

Teagan's Mommy☠ Due May 20 (boy); 6 kids; Egypt 31882 posts
8th Mar '11

is anyone still in this thread ?
if you have your car seat in the middle of the back seat but the middle lap belt does not lock , should you use the lock clip?
i read somewhere or someone told me on here cant remember that w/ the lap belt the lock clip doesn't work



i cant get my lap belt back there to lock i guess it's broke or something i really dont know. the side belts do not lock either so if i move the seat i'd have to use the clip on those but i though the middle was safer.



i've always had him in the middle but keep reading more about the lap belt and am confused

LindzyF 21 kids; Iowa 1168 posts
8th Mar '11
Quoting Teagan's Mommy*OKGFB*:" is anyone still in this thread ? if you have your car seat in the middle of the back seat but the middle ... [snip!] ... but i though the middle was safer. i've always had him in the middle but keep reading more about the lap belt and am confused"


can you post a pic of your latching part of the seatbelt please? what vehicle is it, make, model, year?

Teagan's Mommy☠ Due May 20 (boy); 6 kids; Egypt 31882 posts
8th Mar '11
Quoting LindzyF:" can you post a pic of your latching part of the seatbelt please? what vehicle is it, make, model, year?"


it does not have the latch thing. i cant do a pic right now computer is fucked up and wont let me go to pb and other sites.
it's a boneville Pontiac and my SO says he believes it's a 92.
it's pretty old so maybe the belts are just worn out??

Andie. 3 kids; Oregon 7883 posts
8th Mar '11
Quoting Teagan's Mommy*OKGFB*:" is anyone still in this thread ? if you have your car seat in the middle of the back seat but the middle ... [snip!] ... but i though the middle was safer. i've always had him in the middle but keep reading more about the lap belt and am confused"

If it's just a lap belt, no shoulder belt it should lock on it's own and no clip is required.


Here is some more information about locking clips and locking seatbelts:
http://www.carseatsite.com/lockingclips.htm



This part might help you:
"Locking latchplate: this type of latchplate is typically bulkier than a lightweight locking latchplate and is often used on lap-only belts; a metal bar holds the seat belt in position. To see if your locking latchplate holds tight, buckle the seat belt and pull on the lap portion. It should not move."




In a '92, the shoulderbelts won't lock so you will definitely have to use a locking clip if you have to install a seat outboard. They didn't start making it mandatory for the belts to lock until around 1996.

Teagan's Mommy☠ Due May 20 (boy); 6 kids; Egypt 31882 posts
8th Mar '11
Quoting Andie.:" If it's just a lap belt, no shoulder belt it should lock on it's own and no clip is required. Here ... [snip!] ... clip if you have to install a seat outboard. They didn't start making it mandatory for the belts to lock until around 1996."


ok thanks!

Andie. 3 kids; Oregon 7883 posts
8th Mar '11

Sorry, forgot to mention this. :oops: If it doesn't lock on it's own and truly broken, you can't use a locking clip with just the lapbelt, it would be safer to install on the side with the locking clip.

Teagan's Mommy☠ Due May 20 (boy); 6 kids; Egypt 31882 posts
8th Mar '11
Quoting Andie.:" Sorry, forgot to mention this. :oops: If it doesn't lock on it's own and truly broken, you can't use ... [snip!] ... broken, you can't use a locking clip with just the lapbelt, it would be safer to install on the side with the locking clip. "


i found this



If the lap-only belt does have an emergency retractor (found in few, older model vehicles), then a special belt-shortening clip is used to avoid any slack at all in the belt during a crash. Please consult a certified child passenger safety technician who will show you where to purchase this clip and will show you how to safely install this on a seat belt. This type of clip is not for the inexperienced.



i will see if i can find one of these things. til then i'm going to put him on the side i guess :(
parent fail for 17 months :(
i feel like dog shit now.

Teagan's Mommy☠ Due May 20 (boy); 6 kids; Egypt 31882 posts
8th Mar '11
Quoting Teagan's Mommy*OKGFB*:" i found this If the lap-only belt does have an emergency retractor (found in few, older model vehicles), ... [snip!] ... of these things. til then i'm going to put him on the side i guess :( parent fail for 17 months :( i feel like dog shit now."


actually not 17 months b/c i used my old car most of that time.
maybe 3 months now parent fail :(

Andie. 3 kids; Oregon 7883 posts
8th Mar '11
Quoting Teagan's Mommy*OKGFB*:" i found this If the lap-only belt does have an emergency retractor (found in few, older model vehicles), ... [snip!] ... of these things. til then i'm going to put him on the side i guess :( parent fail for 17 months :( i feel like dog shit now."

Is there a tail on it to tighten it in the middle or is it just a belt that has a buckle and it automatically retracts ?



If it has the tail, it is a locking latchplate and should secure the seat on it's own if it isn't broken. If not, you'll need a belt shortening clip. That is something you definitely need a tech for. It's pretty hard to use.



Here is a pic of a belt with the locking latchplate:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/Madeline410/IMAG1141.jpg



Even on the side, a properly used seat is safe. The safest spot in the car is where you can get the best install. If you can't get it correctly in the center, it isn't safe.



Don't be so hard on yourself, you didn't know.

Teagan's Mommy☠ Due May 20 (boy); 6 kids; Egypt 31882 posts
8th Mar '11
Quoting Andie.:" Is there a tail on it to tighten it in the middle or is it just a belt that has a buckle and it automatically ... [snip!] ... Even on the side, a properly used seat is safe. Don't be so hard on yourself, you didn't know. "


i'll look later but i am pretty sure mine is like that pic.

LindzyF 21 kids; Iowa 1168 posts
8th Mar '11

the belt shortening clip is a HUGE pain the a##!!! if you can't get them to lock on their own I would suggest installing outboard with a locking clip like andie mentioned. Using the bsc you would most likely have to consult with a tech each and every time you needed to install the seat just to make sure it was in right :(
Much easier to go outboard.



do not beat yourself up about it, i'm a tech now but i can list at least a dozen car seat failures I've done with my kids before I knew any better.....it happens, and when we know better we do better..you took that step by asking for help :)

Teagan's Mommy☠ Due May 20 (boy); 6 kids; Egypt 31882 posts
9th Mar '11
Quoting LindzyF:" the belt shortening clip is a HUGE pain the a##!!! if you can't get them to lock on their own I would ... [snip!] ... my kids before I knew any better.....it happens, and when we know better we do better..you took that step by asking for help :)"


thanks! what is outboard?
when my SO gets home im going to see what the belt looks like.
i think it's like the one in that pic which would mean i do not need to do anything differently correct???

Andie. 3 kids; Oregon 7883 posts
9th Mar '11
Quoting Teagan's Mommy*OKGFB*:" thanks! what is outboard? when my SO gets home im going to see what the belt looks like. i think it's like the one in that pic which would mean i do not need to do anything differently correct???"

If it's like in the pic, buckle it and pull the lap portion, if it doesn't move than it's locking properly and you can use it.



Outboard is on the side of the back seat.

LindzyF 21 kids; Iowa 1168 posts
9th Mar '11
Quoting Teagan's Mommy*OKGFB*:" thanks! what is outboard? when my SO gets home im going to see what the belt looks like. i think it's like the one in that pic which would mean i do not need to do anything differently correct???"


outboard just means the outer seats, instead of middle :)



yeah if it has a locking latchplate it will lock on its own, but you need to make sure that its *level* with the female belt buckle, as in *straight* most times....if one part of the buckle is at an angle and the other is straight it may not lock correctly.